Speeding Cars SE22

[James Barber]

hi bawdy-nan,

How awful. No wonder you think are worse.

Hi peckhambog,

I helped organise a number of improvements for the junction of Underhill Road with Barry Road. Both Underhill Road sides had full entry treatments added (humps across the junction sides). Stop signs which required government approval - fortunately the rules were devolved by this government allowing local decision.

The remaining issue appears to be speed related along Barry Road. Officers have suggested no parking along Barry Road in both directions from this junction for about 100m. This would cause significant incovenience but improve sight lines. Improved sight lines often result in extra speeding so it appears self defeating. Officers advised on one of the site visits that it would be really hard to meet the criteria for full traffic lights. The lead officer has since retired but I doubt a change of view on this from remaining officers. The junction is partly signalised to some degree with the Pelican crossing.

Lets try and get average speed cameras in place - and the policy is that Barry Road is 20mph.

[adonirum]

peckhambog, you ask "how many tragedies" etc. Regrettably, it is a fact,in certain parts of the country,that one of the criteria for a speed camera (or other traffic calming measures) installation is that a death MUST occur before one will be installed. I do not know if this applies in Southwark, perhaps JB can answer this.

I feel that speeding will not be reduced in built up town and city 30mph zones until we introduce a radical, and yes some would say draconian,change in the law. I feel we need a system whereby speeding in this instance is treated as follows:

1st offence: Relatively Substantial Fine eg: ?100. This is on the basis that anybody could "drift" over the limit by accident in a moment of loss of concentration, which, although I know is unacceptable, it does happen.

2nd offence: Short Duration Driving Ban eg: 3/6 months. Having had the benefit of the doubt as above, no excuses/reasons as the driver should have been wholly aware of their circumstances.

Further, the ability for the courts to go straight to sanction two for a first offence if the speeding was substantial eg:anything over 40mph on the basis of at those speeds you would have been aware of going to fast. Also, the normal licence endorsement of three points at a stage one and two, thus accruing six points toward any other possible driving ban.

Thoughts on this would be interesting.

[peckhambog]

The current signage indicates the speed limit is 30mph.

I certainly welcome a drop to 20mph with good signage and some enforcement to train users' behaviour.

James Barber Wrote:

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> Hi peckhambog,

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> Lets try and get average speed cameras in place -

> and the policy is that Barry Road is 20mph.

[Sue]

bawdy-nan Wrote:

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> Well, we (me and my daughter) just nearly got mown

> down by a car turning right into Woodwarde Road

> from Enyella, not indicating and travelling

> extremely fast. When I "remonstrated" the driver

> stopped and started shouting at me, getting out of

> the car to accuse me of racism, suggesting that I

> felt I had some kind of entitlement (I do, I'd

> rather not be killed) and urging me to "remember

> slavery".

>

> Not quite sure what that adds to the debate other

> than, yes crossing the road is indeed hazardous.

Bloody hell :(

[keane]

James, the section I am talking about is on Lordship Lane.

[Pugwash]

Living in Barry Road, I drive to work daily down to either Underhill or Upland junctions before I turn off. This week I was waiting patiently behind a bus just past the Goodrich junctions, I could see it was indicating to go, some silly prat behind me obviously thought I was just idling and decides to overtake both me and the bus just pulling out, forces a car travelling from the opposite direction to pull up sharply, cut in front of the bus who also pulls in sharply, waving his fists ( yes it was a he) at me and mouthing something. What was his problem, had he just waited a few seconds all this rage would not have been necessary. Unfortunately idiots like this - no end of traffic calming measures would change their behaviour regardless whether 20 or 30 mph limits

[mynamehere]

Speeding on Lordship Lane at the Upland Road junction and curve south to Forest Hill continues unabated. Why would anyone stop is they're not told to by an "authority". And so we wait for the next child or elderly person to die and send a tiny ripple in the placid calm of TFL and Southwark Council

[yourmomma]

I have to say that traffic calming work on East Dulwich Grove does seem to have worked. Cars speeding through the zebra crossings whilst pedestrians were on them used to be common.

[mako]

we dont need more speed humps on lordship lane. speed cameras fair enough but not humps