New Year Fat Attack 14.7 to 12.7 in two months ...

[Mick Mac]

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> Is that your normal "off the pop" month Mick? ie

> till about the 15th?

Its normally November. I had too much on in November for to be worthwhile. Only thing I have in Jan is a family reunion - one night on and the rest of the month off. will keep you posted as you are paying so keen an interest.

[DulwichFox]

Mick Mac .. See on Thursday 8th for the Curry Club Blow out.. :)

Foxy

[????]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> ???? Wrote:

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> > Is that your normal "off the pop" month Mick?

> ie

> > till about the 15th?

>

> Its normally November. I had too much on in

> November for to be worthwhile. Only thing I have

> in Jan is a family reunion - one night on and the

> rest of the month off. will keep you posted as you

> are paying so keen an interest.

So, for absolute clarity, and to keep me interested, you stopped drinking on the 1st of January? or is this infact going to be the 5-31 with a day off in the middle?

[uncleglen]

If you have a lot of muesli (nuts but no or very little dried fruit) instead of cooked porridge and a cup of tea 2 hours later I swear it all swells up again and keeps me going for a couple more hours

[red devil]

Let me guess unk, no one sits within 50 yards of you at work?...

[uncleglen]

Only potatoes do anti-social things to me!

[katanita]

Cannot recommend My Fitness Pal enough, good for motivation (and re-education, I found learnt a lot). Whatever the "diet", the only important thing is calories in vs calories out (whatever method the diet uses to achieve that), and MFP is great for tracking calories and exercise (though cut the exercise calories burnt in half, it's a bit overgenerous), and the forums are good for tips and motivation. Also recommend not setting too high a week loss goal (absolute max 2 pounds a week if you have a fair bit to lose, half a pound if not much) and doing it slowly. Too fast and you'll be hungry and miserable and probably be losing as much muscle as fat. Too avoid that, major on protein and strength train - progressive resistance/weight based regime.

Lost a load using MFP this year and was never hungry doing it this way. You do need to track everything and weigh it properly, but it's worth it, and wasn't that hard to do, just take a bit of planning of meals etc.

Yes, there are the high fat/very low carb diets that use ketosis to lose weight, but they just sound like you'd feel gross and lack energy, and doesn't sound like a very sustainable plan. I don't know a lot about it though.

[indiepanda]

I've been making some soup for the week ahead - Abel and Cole have just introduced a soup box where they deliver all the ingredients to your door for three soups (makes 2-3 portions of each) and a recipe card for those soups for ?12.50.

I expect I might be able to buy the ingredients for less in the supermarket, but it's nice getting it delivered to the door, and I know it will make me be more adventurous in my choices.

The ones this week are quite varied and the first one I've eaten for lunch was very tasty.

[Help-Ma-Boab]

16.00hrs munchies gripping. My wee pot of nuts and 5 grapes was tanked about an hour ago. Resisting the urge to go and get a Crunchie form the shop.

Hold...hold...hold...

[Mick Mac]

Its a very long day already and I have not even left work yet. Total consumption one mandarin orange for breakfast and for lunch a small portion of cottage pie and green beans.

I'm looking forward to a small tin of red salmon - with lettuce and cottage cheese for "dinner" about 7pm. I think when I have finished that i'll be properly bored already and have an early night.

[KrackersMaracas]

I thought this was quite nice little link - something for everyone - some free apps to track runs/calories to suggestions of things to cut out/down on. Also refers to park run - while these are held all over the capital I am also pretty sure events are held on the rye and also at dulwich common weekly (not that I have been). Also a shout out for the 5:2!

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/jan/03/want-to-be-healthier-and-wealthier

[Robert Poste's Child]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Its a very long day already and I have not even

> left work yet. Total consumption one mandarin

> orange for breakfast and for lunch a small portion

> of cottage pie and green beans.

>

> I'm looking forward to a small tin of red salmon -

> with lettuce and cottage cheese for "dinner" about

> 7pm. I think when I have finished that i'll be

> properly bored already and have an early night.

That reminds me of the opening scene of Whiskey Galore where the narrator says the islanders practise traditional forms of amusement as a dozen children, each one slightly shorter than the one before, run out of a cottage...

[Alan Medic]

My son is into porridge after a daily 16 hour fast. He makes it in water and adds mashed banana, sultanas/raisins and nuts. He's trying to get down to almost zero body fat. Supposedly if you refrain from eating for that length of time the body starts eating its own fat. So for the other 8 hours in the day you don't need to restrict yourself. That's what he thinks anyway or at least that's what I think he thinks.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Sounds a bit extreme but I expect he knows what he's doing. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but the way I understand it, the brain runs on glucose and once your body has used up the available glucose in the blood and then the glycogen store, it has to start breaking down tissue to synthesize it. The risky part is that the process breaks down muscle as well as fat, which I believe is why extreme diets can be dangerous for people with heart disease or who are very unfit (years ago my grandmother had a heart attack doing the Cambridge Diet). Probably different if you're already fit, though, as it sounds like your son is, as the body will want to keep muscles it knows are being used.

[Help-Ma-Boab]

*Puts gutties on*

[DulwichFox]

When Carbohydrates are restricted the body starts to use sored fat as a source of Fuel.

When the Body burns Fat Ketones are produced and can be detected in urine with a dipstick Ketostix

The indicator turns more Purple the more Ketones that are present.

Even though everyone is generating ketones continuously, this detection in the urine is what is commonly called "ketosis."

This is particularly problematic with people with Diabetes where a dangerous condition

called ketoacidosis can develop.

High Ketones can also be detected by breath smelling of 'Pear Drops' Acetone.

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Once fat stores are used up., The body starts to cannibalize itself damaging major organs.

The subject is vastly complex and too much to explain here.

DulwichFox

[Alan Medic]

Are you cutting and pasting Foxy?

[holloway]

16-stone Adebayo Akinfenwa of AFC Wimbledon and similarly Luton Town's Steve McNulty, make me think I too can be an athlete. The 20 fags a day then make me think otherwise...

Actually if I'm not boozing then I'm not smoking, and if I'm doing neither of those then I'm exercising and living like a vegan in the wilderness chanting 'ohmm'. I wish I could strike a balance between healthy and unhealthy living. That is the key to happiness...

Edited in response to someone else's mention of midweek squash. This often gets mentioned in other threads, I'd be up for squash. cracking game.

[DulwichFox]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Are you cutting and pasting Foxy?

I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes Fed 2011. Through diet control I am no longer

considered as being Diabetic. My sugars are normal with HbA1C of 5.3mml/L

Even though I now eat almost anything..

Type-2 diabetes is diagnosed when HbA1C > 6.9mml/L

I still test my Sugars although I don't really need to.

I test for Ketones in hot weather after exercise if I feel dehydrated.

Diabetes can be reversed but you need to read up and you certainly learn fast if you want to beat it.

They are my own words.

Foxy

[maxxi]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Alan Medic Wrote:

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> > Are you cutting and pasting Foxy?

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> I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes Fed 2011.

> Through diet control I am no longer

> considered as being Diabetic. My sugars are normal

> with HbA1C of 5.3mml/L

>

> Even though I now eat almost anything..

Except pizza. He hates pizza. Tried it a couple of times in the past but like a lot of posh food it's-... ...-that can't be made at home.

You're welcome.

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Dulwich Maxxi - anticipating the future - for your pleasure.

[uncleglen]

I read somewhere that if you do the 5/2 diet and start the starving days at 2pm then you can have lunch! And a chunk of the time you are asleep- sounds like a plan. Saw the sell by date on the Xmas pud is march 2016 so I could save it for next Xmas.....

[Mick Mac]

Why do people look for ways to eat more within their diet rules.

Suck up the stomach pains and the boredom.

[Mick Mac]

How are we all doing? So far so good...

[Help-Ma-Boab]

Run number 2 tonight. Struggling to avoid mid afo snacks, and 4 grapes with some bird seed just aint cutting it for me. Starving already and still a while till home time!

Wont revisit the scales till Monday - to be disappointed no doubt!

[steveo]

No drink January ended last night