Paris shootings - several dead

[steveo]

As I just said.

Sorry SJ, cross post

[steveo]

One commentator said that when the pencil is broken it comes back sharper.

That's missing the 'point' by a country mile

[Loz]

Ah, I was told it was Banksy. Must admit, I didn't think it looked like his normal work.

[Jeremy]

MelonSmasher Wrote:

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> Why is it that when it comes to antisemitism we have laws in place to

> prevent such sentiments while Islamaphobia is allowed to continue unchecked since 9-11?

This is just ill-informed. Satire is not "Islamaphobia", and CH did not disproportionately attack Islam. For instance, Jews/Israel were frequent targets of their work.

[Otta]

Also they're not really attacking islam, they're attacking morons like IS, and they need to be attacked because they are morons.

[Otta]

My missus puts the whole islamic extremist thing down to stupid immature boys who want to be able to do whatever they like and own women.

I don't think she's that far off the mark to be honest.

[El Pibe]

Spot on otta.

Angry young men who want to break everything they resent.

'Twas ever thus, there's always an excuse for it.

[Jeremy]

I'm not sure you can explain suicide bombers as "stupid immature boys" though... darker forces at work..

[Louisa]

Yet another hostage situation taking place in Paris as I type. A Jewish supermarket it appears.

Louisa.

[Lowlander]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> I'm not sure you can explain suicide bombers as

> "stupid immature boys" though... darker forces at

> work..

Suicide attacks have been going on since the dawn of time..look at the Kamikazes of WW2. Nothing new, just more effective these days with explosives.

[Jeremy]

Yes quite, didn't mean to suggest it was some sort of new fangled fad.

[miga]

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[david_carnell]

Louisa - their escape is nothing to do with the professionalism or experience of the French police.

They have just as much if not more experience than our own security forces. France has a larger muslim population and more volatile race relations. Plus the GIGN (the special forces guys in black who belong to the Gendarmarie Police Force) are recognised as world experts in hostage negotiation and seige policies.

Rest assured, if they thought a shoot out in a heavily populated city centre location was a sensible course of action it would have happened. Whereas a seige in a industrial unit with a single hostage is now playing out. Do you think that might not be entirely accidental?

[ernesto]

GroveLaneMan Wrote:

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> Appalling and cowardly ! The victims were engaged

> in satire . Very sad

Whatever these two chaps are, I would suggest they are not cowards

[red devil]

david_carnell Wrote:

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> Rest assured, if they thought a shoot out in a

> heavily populated city centre location was a

> sensible course of action it would have happened.

I'm not convinced that was an option at the time. I'm sure the French police didn't just let them leave the city confines unhindered so as to avoid a shoot out. If they did, surely they would've taken them out as soon as it was 'safe' to do so. I thought it wasn't until they robbed the petrol station that their whereabouts could be pinpointed to an area.

> Whereas a seige in a industrial unit with a single

> hostage is now playing out. Do you think that

> might not be entirely accidental?

I do. There's a school nearby, we could've easily been dealing with a much worse situation if the terrorists had taken a different turning during their getaway...

[david_carnell]

Sorry RD, my tongue was rather in my cheek at the time which hasn't come across.

I was simply suggesting that Louise offering her "expertise" on tracking terrorists and bemoaning the lack of professionalism among the French special forces was probably not very useful.

Agree with your points.

[Louisa]

david_carnell I wasn't offering any expertise on tracking terrorists,rather making an observation at the lack of progress, in tracking the suspects, until earlier today. I can't recall a situation where two suspects were able to kill 12 people in the centre of a busy capital city, and not be tracked down within a short space of time.

Louisa.

[grabot]

"I agree with El Pibe's earlier analysis and comparison of the individual motivation and broad methods of these young men and Red Brigades, Baader Meinhof etc. in past decades."

I would have thought the template for this kind of violence was created much earlier by Hassan-I-Sabbah in the 11th century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassins#Assassination.

No doubt he had his predecessors.

[uncleglen]

I was under the impression that the brothers are in their 30s and the killer of the policewoman yesterday and the current terrorist (and his 26 year old female assistant, holding hostages in the kosher supermarket is in his 50s? Hardly angry young men. Anyway, whatever- following a 'faith' and all that goes with it is a lifestyle choice and it therefore can be legitimately subjected to ridicule in the written and spoken word imvho.

[Loz]

Otta Wrote:

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> My missus puts the whole islamic extremist thing down to stupid immature boys who want to be able

> to do whatever they like and own women.

>

> I don't think she's that far off the mark to be honest.

Rather a long way off, in this case from the other day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30701483

[Otta]

ernesto Wrote:

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> GroveLaneMan Wrote:

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> > Appalling and cowardly ! The victims were

> engaged

> > in satire . Very sad

>

> Whatever these two chaps are, I would suggest they

> are not cowards

You don't have to be a coward to perform a cowardly act.

Running in to an office and executing a bunch of unarmed people is pretty cowardly.

[Otta]

Loz that's hardly the first female suicide bomber. I was talking about the people from western countries who are getting involved, the majority of whom are youngish men.

[ernesto]

Otta Wrote:

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> ernesto Wrote:

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> > GroveLaneMan Wrote:

> >

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> > -----

> > > Appalling and cowardly ! The victims were

> > engaged

> > > in satire . Very sad

> >

> > Whatever these two chaps are, I would suggest

> they

> > are not cowards

>

>

> You don't have to be a coward to perform a

> cowardly act.

>

> Running in to an office and executing a bunch of

> unarmed people is pretty cowardly.+

so is firebombing bombing a city of civilians,yet we hand out medals for bravery.

Why do we not call our bomber crews cowards?

[red devil]

Is there a full moon tonight?...

http://timberwolfhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/howlingwolf-150x150.jpg

[Jeremy]

ernesto Wrote:

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> so is firebombing bombing a city of civilians,yet

> we hand out medals for bravery.

>

> Why do we not call our bomber crews cowards?

Surely there are important differences between warfare and terrorism...