How to teach Muslims about dealing with offense

[oneearth121]

with this fear spreading we will one day end up with a Chip in our arm ? yes on our own we can not change the world but what is in our control is how we deal with other people how we talk to them how we agree and disagree with them what words we use what actions we take.every one in this world has a Right to have a opinion and agree or disagree with things.

[Parkdrive]

Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> > > It's a very complex one though isn't it,

> > because

> > > muslims kill each other all the time

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> > > And non muslims have been slaughtering each

> > other

> > > for decades, Northern Ireland for example,

> > stupid

> > > crass remark.

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> > It's not a stupid remark. My point was that the

> > media likes to portray fundamentalism as a

> battle

> > between the Islamic world and the West. I was

> > simply pointing out this is not the case, that

> > fundamentalism is as much a nuisance to the

> > Islamic world and other muslims as it is to the

> > west.

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> True. In Nigeria Boko Haram is mainly killing

> other Muslims - without wishing in any way to

> diminish what happened in France this week, at the

> same time Boko Haram killed hundreds. Today they

> killed something like 17 people using a

> 10-year-old girl as a suicide bomber, and that has

> nothing to do with finding cartoons offensive.

Fcuking crass and offensive to non violent musims and there's millions of them, your collective ignorance seems to know no bounds.

[Parkdrive]

The very title of this thread is offensive, you assume all muslims take offence easily and need to be taught how not to be offended? How very fcuking big of you. Unbelievable. I suggest you try this with believers of other faiths, I'm sure your wisdom will be most welcome.

[JohnL]

oneearth121 Wrote:

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> with this fear spreading we will one day end up

> with a Chip in our arm ? yes on our own we can not

> change the world but what is in our control is how

> we deal with other people how we talk to them how

> we agree and disagree with them what words we use

> what actions we take.every one in this world has a

> Right to have a opinion and agree or disagree with

> things.

I always believe the chip will be sold as something really desirable

[JohnL]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> The very title of this thread is offensive, you

> assume all muslims take offence easily and need to

> be taught how not to be offended? How very fcuking

> big of you. Unbelievable. I suggest you try this

> with believers of other faiths, I'm sure your

> wisdom will be most welcome.

How to teach westerners not to be scared of Islam ????

Because we always listen to he who shouts loudest.

I'm still not sure some of what is being said is offensive is

[Blah Blah]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> > > > It's a very complex one though isn't it,

> > > because

> > > > muslims kill each other all the time

> > > >

> > > > And non muslims have been slaughtering each

> > > other

> > > > for decades, Northern Ireland for example,

> > > stupid

> > > > crass remark.

> > >

> > > It's not a stupid remark. My point was that

> the

> > > media likes to portray fundamentalism as a

> > battle

> > > between the Islamic world and the West. I was

> > > simply pointing out this is not the case,

> that

> > > fundamentalism is as much a nuisance to the

> > > Islamic world and other muslims as it is to

> the

> > > west.

> >

> > True. In Nigeria Boko Haram is mainly killing

> > other Muslims - without wishing in any way to

> > diminish what happened in France this week, at

> the

> > same time Boko Haram killed hundreds. Today

> they

> > killed something like 17 people using a

> > 10-year-old girl as a suicide bomber, and that

> has

> > nothing to do with finding cartoons offensive.

>

> Fcuking crass and offensive to non violent musims

> and there's millions of them, your collective

> ignorance seems to know no bounds.

And your inability to oppose an informed view with debate, as opposed to insult is evident too. Did you know for example that Bokum Harem have murdered 2000 people this month alone? They sent a 10 year old girl as a suicide bomber for example. Where is the press outrage at that?

We are discussing Islamic terrorism, and the scewed perception that the media portrays. No-one has said anywhere that this is a description of ALL muslims. Why can't you grasp that islamic fundamentalists are as amuch of a danger to the millions of moderate and non violent muslims as anyone else? Why are you completely unable to comprehend the points that I and RPC are making?

It IS ok to point out that goups like Bokum Harem and IS kill other muslims too, because they do, and lot's of them. The reason for pointing this out is to illustrate how any claims they spew that the west is the enemy is nonsense. These are not groups driven by religious cause, but tyrannical desire for power. In the arabic world, they are trying to sieze power from Islamic governments. And it's ok to say that.

[Parkdrive]

JohnL Wrote:

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> > The very title of this thread is offensive, you

> > assume all muslims take offence easily and need

> to

> > be taught how not to be offended? How very

> fcuking

> > big of you. Unbelievable. I suggest you try

> this

> > with believers of other faiths, I'm sure your

> > wisdom will be most welcome.

>

> How to teach westerners not to be scared of Islam

> ????

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> Because we always listen to he who shouts

> loudest.

>

> I'm still not sure some of what is being said is

> offensive is

The title is based on an assumption that all muslims react in a violent way to religous ridicule, that is offensive. Will we next have threads were the word Muslim is substituted for, Jew, Hindu, Roman Catholic, etc?

[Alan Medic]

I don't think the term 'Islamic terrorism' does anyone any favours. It terrorism but not in the name of Islam.

[Blah Blah]

I agree totally Alan, which is why I always make a disctinction between terrorism and religion. My criticism is levied at the press who do not.

Totally agree parkdrive regarding the title of the thread.

[Otta]

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> They sent a 10 year old girl as a suicide bomber for example.

> Where is the press outrage at that?

I posted much the same on Facebook today, saying that I was surprised I'd had to actually look for this story on BBC Website rather than it being one of the top stories. But someone else did say that it had been pretty well reported by some of the papers, so I'm less sure now. Guess it depends on your news source.

[Blah Blah]

And then there's this.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/nigerias-forgotten-massacre-2000-slaughtered-by-boko-haram-but-the-west-is-failing-to-help-9970355.html

And it reminds me of the Hutu rebel masscres of Rwanda (a conflict that is still ongoing) but there's no wider reportage of that either.

I remember a line from the movie 'Hotal Rwanda' which went something like this; 'When the West sees a dead Bosnian, they see someone that looks like them. When they see a dead Rwandan, they just see another dead African'. I think there's a point there. Whilst the UN and journalists care about conflict wherever and to whomever it happens, the wider public and the press seem to have groups, nations, ethnic groups they care about more than others (for whatever reason). So as awful as it is, 18 murdered people in Paris 'seems' to be more newsworthy than a massacre of 2000 men women and children in some village in Africa no-one in the west has ever heard of. We should be qually shocked and mobilised by both.

[Otta]

Yep, uncomfortable to admit, but there probably is more truth in that quote than most of us care to acknowledge,

[reggie]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> The very title of this thread is offensive, you

> assume all muslims take offence easily and need to

> be taught how not to be offended? How very fcuking

> big of you. Unbelievable. I suggest you try this

> with believers of other faiths, I'm sure your

> wisdom will be most welcome.

Park drive you assume too much. Read my post and soak up the available wisdom.

[????]

There's an old american journalistic cliche

1 in Wisconsin = 10 in Wales = 100 in Wakhatu

[Robert Poste's Child]

An American commentator has described Birmingham on TV as 'Muslim-only' and said there's a Muslim police in London who beat people up if they're not dressed correctly. Quite funny really.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30773297

[KidKruger]

Gotta love America !

[Jeremy]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> I agree totally Alan, which is why I always make a

> disctinction between terrorism and religion.

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> I don't think the term 'Islamic terrorism' does

> anyone any favours. It terrorism but not in the name of Islam.

All too easy to say. Just because their beliefs are not in line with mainstream Islam, doesn't mean that religion isn't a huge factor in all of this business.

Surely the real issue is how the human race can move forward, when people all over the world have unwavering faith in different brands of nonsense.

[Davis]

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[steveo]

Twattery x 2

[Robert Poste's Child]

Well fielded, steveo...

[Southeast Twenty Stu]

Thought this was a good comment piece on events in Paris:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/11/charie-hebdo-danger-polarised-debate-paris-attacks

[Alan Medic]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> > I don't think the term 'Islamic terrorism' does

> > anyone any favours. It terrorism but not in the

> name of Islam.

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> All too easy to say. Just because their beliefs

> are not in line with mainstream Islam, doesn't

> mean that religion isn't a huge factor in all of

> this business.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Where is there evidence that religion has a part to play in this, apart from those who would like you to think it has?

[ernesto]

i yearn for the good old days of proper old fashioned christian terrorism

[StraferJack]

Alan, do any countries in 2015 sanction death for blasphemy?

If the answer is yes then I would argue that the religion which underpins this societal norm plays rather a major part to play in this

[Otta]

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> What is most troublesome in regards to the

> prominent narratives which have emerged from the

> attacks in France is not the notion that pompous

> vulgarity is a bastion of free speech, nor is it

> the hypocrisy shown by those who champion free

> speech but have not rallied behind the many

> historians that have been imprisoned in Europe for

> holocaust denial, but rather what is most

> troublesome is that France and Britain have been

> presented as victims despite their colonial past

> and their continued neo-colonial wars. The

> combined number of deaths which are a result of

> terrorist attacks on French and British soil do

> not even amount to 1% of the innocent people

> France and Britain have killed in pursuit of their

> colonial and neo-colonial endeavours.

Good one.