Mark Duggan

[Earl Aelfheah]

What do people think about the IPCCs report into the Mark Duggan shooting?

[Otta]

What do you think about the IPCCs report into the Mark Duggan shooting?

[keekybreeks]

What do the shops on LL lane think about the IPCCs report into the Mark Duggan Shooting ?

[keekybreeks]

What do the cats of SE22 think about the IPCCs report into the Mark Duggan Shooting ?

[MissMadMoo]

I haven't read the report but for me it's fairly simple.

If you carry a gun or even hang around wt people who carry guns, you have to expect consequences like this.

The police may have shot in haste but they're just doing their job and fully understandable reaction in a situation like this, regardless of all the training they get.

It doesn't bother me one bit that someone like Mark Duggan met his end like that. Most likely would have been shot by another gangster sooner or later....play with fire etc etc bla bla...

[MissMadMoo]

What pisses me off most is the money wasted on these investigations..

[Ron70]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> What do people think about the IPCCs report into

> the Mark Duggan shooting?

I think it's provided by an independent body and should be taken at face value.

Ron70

[keekybreeks]

MissMadMoo Wrote:

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> What pisses me off most is the money wasted on

> these investigations..

These are the met police, not Judge Dredd in megacity one - you think an investigation into an incident where the polcie shot & killed someone is a waste ?

[Otta]

I've not read the whole report (and I'm not going to), but from what I have read it just seems that no real conclusions can be reached because there is no evidence, so it's a case of we'll never no for sure, but this is quite likely what happened, and at the end of the day he wasn't a very nice guy and he did have possession of a gun.

[*Bob*]

His Aunt (I think it was) was on the radio yesterday. What was Mark doing that day? "He was going home for his tea".

What sort of country are we living in where a man can't simply go home for his tea - with his gun - without meeting his death at the hands of the Met armed response unit? If it can happen to him, it can happen to anyone going home for their tea with their gun.

[MissMadMoo]

keekybreeks Wrote:

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>

> These are the met police, not Judge Dredd in

> megacity one - you think an investigation into an

> incident where the polcie shot & killed someone is

> a waste ?

Granted, and i accept that an investigation should take place following incident of this nature.

My issue is when it becomes a drawn out affair because some parties aren't willing to accept the evidence and try to paint him as an innocent victim.

[keekybreeks]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> His Aunt (I think it was) was on the radio

> yesterday. What was Mark doing that day? "He was

> going home for his tea".

>

> What sort of country are we living in where a man

> can't simply go home for his tea - with his gun -

> without meeting his death at the hands of the Met

> armed response unit? If it can happen to him, it

> can happen to anyone going home for their tea with

> their gun.

I get this kid of crap from the coppers all the time when I go to the chemists for my sarin gas ingredients

[maxxi]

I think it just shows that if you want to get home safe to your mum then get a 10 year-old to carry your piece.

[steveo]

I was packing heat all through my childhood until joining the scouts when I got a sheath knife and an axe.

Never had any problems

[KidKruger]

It shows that a whole bunch of (what are now proved to be) twats wrecked several town centres and 100s peoples' livelihoods and homes just because they thought some bloke with a gun had been done badly by the Met.

Or, more accurately, saw it as an excuse for such antics.

Signs of a fecked society if ever there was one.

[Otta]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> It shows that a whole bunch of (what are now

> proved to be) twats wrecked several town centres

> and 100s peoples' livelihoods and homes just

> because they thought some bloke with a gun had

> been done badly by the Met.

>

> Or, more accurately, saw it as an excuse for such

> antics.

> Signs of a fecked society if ever there was one.

A very small amount of people kicked off that day because they'd even read the news about this. Most people kicked off that day because it seemed like fun and because they are morons.

[MrBen]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> What do people think about the IPCCs report into

> the Mark Duggan shooting?

If you were looking for a libertarian left right on response from the EDW massive....it hasn't happened. Looks like broad agreement on this one.

[Parkdrive]

I won't be shedding any tears over an individual that created victims, and shock, horror ended up as one himself.

[Blah Blah]

I agree too. Mark Duggan was a criminal (just the posession of a firearm makes him one). Live by the sword die by the sword. Absolutely no excuse for the riots and wanton looting that followed.

[Parkdrive]

The rioting that followed was just an excuse to try and get something for nothing.

[Earl Aelfheah]

MrBen Wrote:

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> rahrahrah Wrote:

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> > What do people think about the IPCCs report

> into

> > the Mark Duggan shooting?

>

> If you were looking for a libertarian left right

> on response from the EDW massive....it hasn't

> happened. Looks like broad agreement on this one.

I wasn't looking for any kind of response. Just think it's interesting to hear peoples thoughts on it. I've encountered some pretty polarised views today.

[keekybreeks]

the majority of disorderly behavior that night had no connection with what happened in Tots to duggan in reality, whatever the talking heads said at the time. sometimes you dont need much of an excuse to run amok. every generation gets its chance to riot.

shitty reason for a riot, shitty behavior by the rioters, shitty outcome for those involved in any dimension.

Not one of britains high points in the past few years

[Earl Aelfheah]

The riots are a weird one. I still can't quite make sense of what was really behind them, but certainly it was bigger than the Mark Duggan thing.

[keekybreeks]

In a previous incarnation, I did bring up the press demonisation of duggan and the selective publishing of stuff that amounted to a dog whistle situation that most fell for. I stand by that viewpoint.

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[keekybreeks]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> The riots are a weird one. I still can't quite

> make sense of what was really behind them, but

> certainly it was bigger than the Mark Duggan

> thing.

there is little as exciting as being involved in a riot, its hard to explain if you have not- the rush is scarey-0 its not hard to see how it unfolded so quickly