Mugging In Melbourne Grove

[Mark]

ianr Wrote:

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> Wot, no sub judice rule?

I think I know what that means, I'll ask Admin to edit the comment including yours.

[lenk]

ClareC Wrote:

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> A stab wound close to the heart sounds serious to

> me! It is fortunate the injuries were not worse

> than they were, the fact its not "newsworthy"

> doesnt make it any less significant. There is an

> awful lot of crime that doesn't enter the public

> domain, this is an active choice for public policy

> reasons.

The only bit of evidence for this seems to be a post on this forum though.

If it's OK I'll wait until I see this somewhere with perhaps a bit more rigour in the fact-checking department before I take to my roof and commence with the screaming.

[ClareC]

like the local rag? ;-)

I have never said we should "take to the roof and scream" stabbing or no stabbing that would be rather extreme, dont think anyone else has suggested that either. The point I made was simply that the poor girl was stabbed, just because the original intent was a mugging that doesnt make the fact she was stabbed any less significant.

Not sure what anyone would gain by making this up and personally don't need to read the details in the South London Press, London Lite etc to believe that it happened. I will simply be more aware of my surroundings as a consequence of this thread.

[ianr]

Mark Wrote:

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> > Wot, no sub judice rule?

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> I think I know what that means, I'll ask Admin to

> edit the comment including yours.

Edited to just what I'd have suggested. :)

My comment, btw, was triggered by the initial quotation rather than by your quoting it. Although I assume police sometimes apply different standards in private communications with journalists, I was a bit disappointed and surprised that the e-mail wasn't more circumspect. There are libel considerations as well, of course.

[Mark]

ianr, I was just trying to help allay fears but please do PM me and let me know if anything else needs to be addressed.

[lenk]

sophiesofa Wrote:

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> evelknievel Wrote:

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My point is that these incidents occur accross the country frequently but

> most of them we just don't hear about.

How do you know they happen then?

Do you have one of those police radios?

[siousxiesue]

strange you think it's ladies that should stay off the streets! how about a curfew for men/youths??

[sophiesofa]

"Up to 60,000 young people, mostly male, may be stabbed and injured each year, the equivalent of more than 160 victims a day, according to a worst-case estimate for knife violence in England and Wales.

On the other hand, the figure may be around 22,000 each year for victims aged 10 - 25-year-old."

I found that on the telgraph webiste googling just now it's from 2007 and there must be more up to date articles but even if it is the lower estimate of 22,000 10 -25 year olds that is a hell of a lot of people and I certainly haven't read about all of them. Some stories the media just don't report, not just knife crime or muggings. I know my quote isn't the most specific but I haven't done much work today so i just had a quick look because i must get my work bum in gear.

[snorky]

I was witness to stabbings and slashings a long time ago - its not new - I have a scar to prove it

[Brendan]

Just a few thoughts,

Crime = Bad

People talking about what?s going on in their community = Good

Thinking that people talking about what is going on in their community is somehow invalid because of who you perceive these people to be = Stupid

[lenk]

Brendan Wrote:

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> Just a few thoughts,

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> Crime = Bad

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> People talking about what?s going on in their

> community = Good

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> Thinking that people talking about what is going

> on in their community is somehow invalid because

> of who you perceive these people to be = Stupid

where does wild speculation fit in ?

predjudice?

misrepresentation?

scare-mongering?

distortion?

plain inaccuracy?

Are they in the 'good', 'bad', or 'stupid' categories?

[sophiesofa]

I don't think it's new either and sadly it's always going to happen.

I agree with brendan but i also want to add living in fear of crime = bad, being aware and vigilent = good

[mark_bowen]

lenk Wrote:

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> > > Title changed from "Stabbing" to "Mugging" to

> > > clarify the intent of the incident.

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> > Sorry, but personally I don't find this very

> > helpful. Do you have evidence they never meant

> to

> > stab anyone? If they weren't prepared to do any

> > physical harm to anyone they wouldn't have been

> > carrying a knife in the first place. I wouldn't

> > have thought carrying a knife is exactly common

> > among the law abiding of us.

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> ?Stabbing? suggests someone was stabbed.

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> They weren?t. Hence the clarification.

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> Imagine if newspapers wrote ?stabbing? when they

> meant ?armed mugging?.

I really don't get why there is such suspicion about the report of the poor girl getting stabbed. Lenk - this isn't the first time that you've adopted the position that 'bad' things being reported aren't true. Obviously some things that are presented as facts do need challenging, but I think you should apply a bit more thought before jumping in. This isn't an attempt to induce hysteria, more an attempt to provide more information.

[lenk]

mark_bowen Wrote:

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> lenk Wrote:

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> > > > Title changed from "Stabbing" to "Mugging"

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> > > > clarify the intent of the incident.

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> > > Sorry, but personally I don't find this very

> > > helpful. Do you have evidence they never

> meant

> > to

> > > stab anyone? If they weren't prepared to do

> any

> > > physical harm to anyone they wouldn't have

> been

> > > carrying a knife in the first place. I

> wouldn't

> > > have thought carrying a knife is exactly

> common

> > > among the law abiding of us.

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> > ?Stabbing? suggests someone was stabbed.

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> > They weren?t. Hence the clarification.

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> > Imagine if newspapers wrote ?stabbing? when

> they

> > meant ?armed mugging?.

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> I really don't get why there is such suspicion

> about the report of the poor girl getting stabbed.

> Lenk - this isn't the first time that you've

> adopted the position that 'bad' things being

> reported aren't true. Obviously some things that

> are presented as facts do need challenging, but I

> think you should apply a bit more thought before

> jumping in. This isn't an attempt to induce

> hysteria, more an attempt to provide more

> information.

Often it's devil's advocate - is it wrong to adopt that stance on a board where from time to time wildly inaccurate statements are liberally flung around as fact?

It's important to discuss these things on here, but it's also important for the right and proper version of events to be portrayed - I would never accept another poster's version of events on something like this over anything official. So I stand by being able to question another poster's account until I am able to make judgement from an accredited source.

[Brendan]

lenk Wrote:

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> where does wild speculation fit in ?

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> predjudice?

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> misrepresentation?

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> scare-mongering?

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> distortion?

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> plain inaccuracy?

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> Are they in the 'good', 'bad', or 'stupid'

> categories?

Oh, those are mostly expressed quite expertly in the indignant dross that is so often spewed out on here about decent hardworking people who commit the heinous crimes of existing and caring about their environs.

[Brendan]

Oh and based on the reasoning displayed in your last post I can only dismiss it as complete twaddle.

[citizenED]

Lenk, have you pm'd Leah to ask how her friend is? Maybe you could also ask for an independent source who could clarify clarify exactly what happened to her.

[Jeremy]

mark_bowen Wrote:

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> I really don't get why there is such suspicion

> about the report of the poor girl getting stabbed.

Combination of chip on shoulder and superiority complex...

[evelknievel]

The detail of whether this thread is about a stabbing or a mugging that involved a knife being used is a bit irrelevant I think. Yes, I know the name of the thread was amended by admin but I think that was more in response to the direction the dicussion had gone. It had definitely taken a hysterical turn at the time Admin made that change.

We already have too many 'news' reports and headlines these days containing the word 'could', 'potentially', 'possibly' etc. News should be about facts. What did happen, or what will happen. Subverting a thread about a violent mugging into an imagined reality of maniac crack addicts roaming the streets wielding knives is just more of this 'be afraid' bullsh*t. It's not constructive or helpful. It isn't real, so it doesn't contribute.

Didn't somebody once say 'the only thing we have to fear is fear itself'. Never been truer... Although he should maybe also have given a second thought to lone gunmen in book depositories to be fair. Or was it?

[lenk]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> > I really don't get why there is such suspicion

> > about the report of the poor girl getting

> stabbed.

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> Combination of chip on shoulder and superiority

> complex...

I have neither - what exactly would the 'chip' be about?

Should I toe the party line from now on?

Imagine the frenzies we can work ourselves into!

[ClareC]

Whose in a frenzy? I really don't understand your issue here. Feel free to disbelieve absolutely anything unless you see the evidence yourself, casting aspersions upon other's integrity is pretty poor form though.

[jayes]

An accredited source.....like what for example?

[lenk]

A journalist not using anecdotal evidence. A policeman.

[ClareC]

most of what is written in the paper's is not obtained first hand!

[Brendan]

I?m wearing a blue shirt.