Lost child - Madeleine McCann

[spadetownboy]

he is now,string em up i say;-)

[TillieTrotter]

I really dont want to believe this.:(

[Jessie]

believe what? no one's been charged with anything yet

[TillieTrotter]

I know that Jessie, I mean the possibility of the mother being involved.

[Jessie]

no, i agree, it's pretty sad if she and/or the father was

[Marmora Man]

Jessie Wrote:

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> no, i agree, it's pretty sad if she and/or the

> father was

It would also represent the most amazing acting - given the campaign she and her husband have created and their use of the media.

[dulwichmum]

I am sorry, I can't believe this.

My husband would never cover up for me. And even though I love him dearly, if he hurt one of our children - I would not cover up for him.

Perhaps I am naieve, but I cannot believe that they could have covered for eachother.

[spadetownboy]

it certainly sounds highly implausible but one never knows the criminal mind can be highy inventive, to be truthful the mc canns and not wishing to cast any doubt on their guilt or innocence have always come across as quite cold,whether that is just their normal mannerism or whether its because of their situation i dont know however the way this whole media circus has erupted around the childs disappearance could be construed by some as a device to draw attention to their plight or to divert it elsewhere, but if what is being said about the childs blood being found in the car 3+ weeks later is true then it has certainly cast a new light on the situation, and will require one hell of an explanation.

[Narnia]

Just reading this thread now but as far as rules go in this country I believe it is against the law to leave children under the age of 12 alone. May have more or less to add when I finish reading.

[Narnia]

spadetownboy Wrote:

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> it certainly sounds highly implausible but one

> never knows the criminal mind can be highy

> inventive, to be truthful the mc canns and not

> wishing to cast any doubt on their guilt or

> innocence have always come across as quite

> cold,whether that is just their normal mannerism

> or whether its because of their situation i dont

> know however the way this whole media circus has

> erupted around the childs disappearance could be

> construed by some as a device to draw attention to

> their plight or to divert it elsewhere, but if

> what is being said about the childs blood being

> found in the car 3+ weeks later is true then it

> has certainly cast a new light on the situation,

> and will require one hell of an explanation.

Just how plausible is it to keep a body for three weeks anywhere without it smelling?

[RosieH]

it's all just horrible, but the ghoulish media / public feeding frenzy only serves to hype the horror to a state of unfathomable hysteria.

I make no comment on the involvement or otherwise of the parents in this case, but the fact is that most murdered children are killed by a family member, not an opportunistic stranger. And that's what we should all be up in arms about, but we're not, because all too often such stories are buried in a single column on page 12, because they don't wield such a frenzied grip on the popular imagination. and yes, some parents will lie for each other to cover things up.

the grotesque and quasi-titillating exploitation of this little girl's tragedy says something nasty about our desire to believe in a mythical bogeyman, and not enough about genuine concern for the welfare of children

[SeanMacGabhann]

D'you know Rosie I said something very similar to Lady MacGabhann today... but very well said

Again, I say that without particular reference to this case - but the way the media feeds it's audience, as with this case since May, should serve as a useful reminder when we next encounter some 'orrible event in the news

[Narnia]

quasi-titillating and mythical bogeyman..................unfathomable hysteria.............what are you talking about? Are YOU part of a problem or a solution? If so which do you you think? Presumably you buy the media you refer to in the form of a newspaper.

[SeanMacGabhann]

eh Declan? The quotes from Rosie's post make sense to me. Anyone who has kept abreast of the situation will be aware of how different papers have treated the case. Ditto TV to a lesser extent

Again - we don't know the details, and we may never. That hasn't stopped far too many people jumping on various bandwagons since day one. Recent events appear to have given pause to the whole thing...long overdue. What I worry about now is all guns turning on the parents who may or may not be innocent... Daily front page exposure on the Express will add little to the sum of human knowledge. Let's hope a) some good news will emerge about the girl b)the real perpetrators are caught, whoever that turns out to be

[RosieH]

are you kidding me? you don't think it's a all just a little bit out of control? No I don't buy the media I'm referring to, but I'm very aware of what's in them.

and the page 12 thing - that really happened - pages 1-7 devoted to speculation and grisly details of a mystery child murderer; page 12, single column, 12 year old girl stabbed to death by her father. it makes me pretty mad and wonder where our priorities lie

[Narnia]

RosieH Wrote:

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> it's all just horrible, but the ghoulish media /

> public feeding frenzy only serves to hype the

> horror to a state of unfathomable hysteria.

>

> I make no comment on the involvement or otherwise

> of the parents in this case, but the fact is that

> most murdered children are killed by a family

> member, not an opportunistic stranger. And that's

> what we should all be up in arms about, but we're

> not, because all too often such stories are buried

> in a single column on page 12, because they don't

> wield such a frenzied grip on the popular

> imagination. and yes, some parents will lie for

> each other to cover things up.

>

> the grotesque and quasi-titillating exploitation

> of this little girl's tragedy says something nasty

> about our desire to believe in a mythical

> bogeyman, and not enough about genuine concern for

> the welfare of children

So most murdered children are killed by a family member............what about the rest? I couldn't care less what the press say. Those parents are not murderers even if for some reason their child died due to a moments neglect. Can you explain what you mean by 'genuine concern for the welfare of children' so that those who don't have it will understand?

[RosieH]

Ok sorry, this is a really emotive subject and I didn't mean to piss anybody off. I in no way intended to suggest that you don't care about children and apologise unreservedly if that was your interpretation. I'm talking about the media nonsense.

Also I'm not calling anybody a murderer, but I think your comment that those parents are not murderers demonstrates a little bit of what I'm talking about. How on earth can you know that? What have you based that bald statement on? Gut instinct? The fact that we really "know" the family based on page after stomach-churning page of media coverage? The fact that it's unthinkable that any parent could do such a thing?

Newspapers exist to make money, not for a public good. They're about whipping us into a frenzy to increase advertising revenue. They do that by making their stories bigger and bolder than their competitors. We all know all of this, but it's easy to forget in the middle of a story as emotive as this.

If they really were about the greater good, they wouldn't have pushed for a UK equivalent of Megan's law, when studies have shown that it would do more harm than good. There'd be pages 1-11 devoted to the outrage that around 2 children a week die at the hands of a family member, not instead of, but as well as coverage of more high profile, "stranger" cases. But there isn't, because it doesn't sell papers. And we buy the papers.

[Narnia]

I hardly read the papers. I don't have the time so I don't know what they write. I see some TV news and understand they are considered murderers by some parties in Portugal. I don't think they are murderers as that requires a degree of hate to even contemplate. They don't seem to have that ingredient. Why would they? A four year old.........why? But why leave your children alone is another question?

[TillieTrotter]

I was discussing this with a boy and girl friend of mine last night. The question that we kept returning to is that how the hell could these parents have managed to get rid of a body all that time after when the media have been all over them like a rash since day one. Surely they wouldnt have been given enough space to put a body into their car, take it off somewhere and bury/get rid of it without some press goon on their tail!!!

[*Bob*]

I think it was Professor Plum, in the library, with the candlestick.

[Asset]

Declan Wrote:

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> Just reading this thread now but as far as rules

> go in this country I believe it is against the law

> to leave children under the age of 12 alone. May

> have more or less to add when I finish reading.

Declan, there are no legal minimum ages for leaving children. i.e there is no law.

[TillieTrotter]

Thats absolutely true Asset, I was checking that out for personal reasons last week.

[spadetownboy]

Declan Wrote:

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> Just reading this thread now but as far as rules

> go in this country I believe it is against the law

> to leave children under the age of 12 alone. May

> have more or less to add when I finish reading.

i believe you are wrong,but as this incident occured in portugal british law dosent apply.

[spadetownboy]

Declan Wrote:

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> spadetownboy Wrote:

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> -----

> > it certainly sounds highly implausible but one

> > never knows the criminal mind can be highy

> > inventive, to be truthful the mc canns and not

> > wishing to cast any doubt on their guilt or

> > innocence have always come across as quite

> > cold,whether that is just their normal

> mannerism

> > or whether its because of their situation i

> dont

> > know however the way this whole media circus

> has

> > erupted around the childs disappearance could

> be

> > construed by some as a device to draw attention

> to

> > their plight or to divert it elsewhere, but if

> > what is being said about the childs blood being

> > found in the car 3+ weeks later is true then it

> > has certainly cast a new light on the

> situation,

> > and will require one hell of an explanation.

>

> Just how plausible is it to keep a body for three

> weeks anywhere without it smelling?

its em very plausible, ever walked around a graveyard and noticed it smelling of rotting corpses.

[Narnia]

Not recently!