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What a hilarious thread, great belly laughs!


I watched the video, and I feel really sorry for PROSser and chums.


They really want the world to be a better place, but they have to fight a sort of schizophrenic battle in wanting people to be good, but hating them for being bad...


They focus a simmering religious contempt at the whole of society, but unable to do anything as unpleasant as attacking someone in the street, they choose amorphous enemies - the 'state', the 'BBC' or 'the Forum elite'.


And propping all this up is the absolute conviction that if they haven't got everything they want, it's because somebody else stole it.

mockney piers Wrote:

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> The US has spent much of the post war period

> throwing it's orb about lets face it, I don't

> thunk it a coincidence that they didn't sign up to

> the ICC, and I would he delighted to see Bush and

> Blair end up in a dock in the Hague. I think

> there's a pretty strong case frankly, but I don't

> see the political will so it won't ever happen

> sadly.

>

> If it did it would set a marvellous precedent that

> might doesn't make right a d might encourage a tad

> more circumspection in future leaders prone to

> military adventurism.

>

> Mind you, that Spamish judge, he doesn't mind

> ruffling feathers, like oni wan kenobi, he's my o

> ly hope ;)



We have this conception that justice is universal, but unfortunately we have yet to develop the right methodology to administer it.


That has consequences for international criminal justice, because there is no proportionality.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23717998-details/BBC+Centre+designed+on+an+envelope+is+given+Grade+II+heritage+status/article.do


A novel way to ensure that the BBC remain where they are. I wonder why they have just spent a living fortune kitting out the BBC Buildings on Oxford street then ? Maybe the executives need to be closer to the private members clubs of London's West End

Whynniard Wrote:

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> You would have thought that " 8 British soldiers

> killed in 24hrs" would have been a huge story and

> a even larger headline ? BBC Website currently

> leads with ...................." Troops fighting

> for UK's future" !!!!!!!!

>

> does anyone else find that slightly odd ?


It seems well reported to me

I thought we were ? does this not constitute war, is it just an excurision or something then, maybe that's why they are driving around in light armour, it not really a war , may be they did not tick all the boxes back at the treasury.


Question 1. Will you or any one else in your regiment be travelling around in a Tank, if not go straight to section C.

I always stayed in the relative safety of the British Embassy, more accurate would be the military mission, in Kabul when I was there last, but that was 2002.


I thought we were there to catch OBL, then we got into rooting democracy, what is the new imperative?


Tanks are fairly worthless in AFG, btw.

This forum seems to be inhabited by some odd types, people's republic ? or are people miss posting ? Anyway ...that's interesting S, i was joking about the tanks, it was really a reference to the light skinned vehicles that are being driven around in Afganistan, however a lot of the deaths seem to be occuring while out on foot patrol....


"were you really told your mission was to capture Bin Laden ? "


actually maybe a new thread -

Whynniard Wrote:

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> This forum seems to be inhabited by some odd

> types, people's republic ? or are people miss

> posting ? Anyway ...that's interesting S, i was

> joking about the tanks, it was really a reference

> to the light skinned vehicles that are being

> driven around in Afganistan, however a lot of the

> deaths seem to be occuring while out on foot

> patrol....

>

> "were you really told your mission was to capture

> Bin Laden ? "

>

> actually maybe a new thread -



For my part, from memory, there were less than 300 of us in Kabul in a mentoring role with the ANA, during the time I was there and we had suffered less than half a dozen casualties to the time I left.


Anaconda was going on in Tora Bora, but we had not yet established the PRT and battlegroup to protect it at that point in Helmand.


As to capturing OBL, there is a 1600 page report from the Royal Marines which is devasting in its criticism of the US mission to take him.


It was a complete cluster and allowed him to simply walk over the border into Pakistan.


Regarding IEDs these are not a new phenomena to the army, we dealt with them for many years in Northern Ireland, mostly culvert bombs which wreaked some devasting results over time, these were mostly command detonated.


Iraq provided a different challenge, of course and it is the success of the IED there, which has driven the change in tactic in AFG towards the more effective use of these.


The Taliban know that in a force on force engagement they are going to come of a very very poor second every time.


The main problem is devoting huge financial and manpower resource against a device conjured up on a $50 budget, built around an artillery shell, or home made explosives.


In fact, the Joint Anti-IED Task Force is fronted by a US two star and has an annual budget of some $3 billion.


Personally, I have very serious concerns about the current mission, but you might be right a different thread may be in order.

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