Zebedee Tring Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Has anyone travelled through the changes to the Elephant road changes today? If so, how bad (or good) was the situation? It looked pretty on Sunday, especially for traffic travelling from the West End and City to the junction.Many thanks. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I was in a car at around 0600 this morning, coming down the New Kent Road. It was slow, adding about ten minutes to the journey even at that early hour. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-935594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnjohn Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Disaster!There is an article on BBC website about itmy 78 bus from Peckham Rye to Tower Hill at 8am took 1hr 15min this morningIt doesn't even go through E&C, just got held up on the Old Kent RoadSame journey was taking between 25-40 mins last week.Traffic backing up to New Cross and Camberwell in those directionsHopefully just teething problems for the new design Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-935612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
northdulmum Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-35026096 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-935637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebedee Tring Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Thanks for the info. I'll now avoid going by bus through the Elephant tomorrow morning. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-935654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 To be fair, SE London is the only part of the Capital with high frequency, fast, reliable underground trains, so we should be able to put up with some disruption to bus services.... Oh, hold on. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-935664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 ! I did not know that the blockages I saw were part of the actual design. Oh dear. If it was like that at 0600 goodness knows what it will be like when most people are up and about. I shall avoid till I hear more positive noises. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-935668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbsy Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Was terrible circa 8am. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-935675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
northdulmum Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 it was 'ok' coming home tonight. Congestion in the run up to E&C but frankly not that much worse than normal (which tbh has been bad for sometime). Once through the old roundabout, the traffic moved quite freely.i'll still be walking if I have to be in at a certain time but hoping that things will settle once ppl get used to it. A lot of buses just didn't really know where to go and looked a bit surprised and therefore much slower than normal. Same went for cars and bikes and people! I guess everyone will get used to it and drive a bit more smoothly in time. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-935848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebedee Tring Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 Why has this thread been moved to the Lounge when clearly the state of the Elephant junction is of interest to commuters living in ED? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-935941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
healey Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 This junction is always going to be busy and I'm in favour of making it nicer for pedestrians to live with. What really rankles it the lack of will to tackle a major contributing factor to its problems - the lack of a tube link to Walworth and Camberwell. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-938167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbsy Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 It's not getting better, it's getting worse so far! Trying to get through there on saturday afternoon was horrendous. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-938188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
'bout now Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Came through at 4pm yesterday, utter disaster. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-938192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebedee Tring Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 Administrator, why can't this thread be moved from The Lounge back to the General ED Issues section since clearly the state of the Elephant junction after the recent changes is of continuing interest to commuters living in ED? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-938206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgley Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I pass there last week have they got rid of the subways , were you have to go underground to get to the other side? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-938277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Queues from Oval Tube to Vauxhall all times of day and night it seems, also due to new road layout. SE London is being cut off from the Capital. No tube, trains into London Bridge and Thameslink terrible overcrowded and unreliable and now bus and car journeys just a few miles to the north taking a minimum of 40 minutes to an hour. It's totally unacceptable, but there doesn't seem to be anything we can do about it.And now the Bakerloo line extension is going to see huge amounts of money from the transport infrastructure budget plowed into subsidising new private developments /investment properties along the Old Kent Road. talk about giving SE London taxpayers the finger. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-938285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Been doing it for a week now on me bike, and don't like it (or the alternatives). It's just weird and counter intuitive going round what was a roundabout the wrong way (like being in Europe) and some quite sharp turns. Not at all smooth flowing. You lot in your metal boxes can't be that impressed either.First day was hilarious as loads of us were confused and ended up cycling (by accident) through red lights and being shouted at (in a good nurtured way) by the fuzz. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-938407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
se22cat Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The cycle lane on the Tabernacle side looks like it goes into a really sharp and hard to navigate turn opposite the college of communication, not to mention this is bound to cause collisions between pedestrians and cyclists. Were the developers on drugs or something? The whole of the area now looks a lot more dangerous for cyclists, pedestrians and drivers, wtf happened? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-938434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Yeah, that bit outside the College of communication is crazy. Bizarre design Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-938459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbsy Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 It all feels wrong. The roundabout design had its flaws, but at least it worked. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-938598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blah Blah Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I cycled through this yesterday for the first time, from the Old Kent Road and found it to be ok. Haven't tried it from the Walworth Road side yet. But I can also see how it is worse for driving and why there are tailbacks. And before the changes, cyclists had paths accross the central island anyway, for safe crossing. Doesn't feel like the right answer to the problems that existed before. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-939724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It's catalled who ever planed it must have been on some bad gear.Bob S Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-939739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
healey Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Terrible from Walworth again this morning. A long row of buses stuck waiting at lights to get in. Camberwell badly needs a tube link. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-943959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbsy Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Yeap, terrible this morning, massive queue back almost to camberwell at 7.45. Can't imagine how it would be later! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-943991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Ridgley Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I pass there last week have they got rid of the> subways , were you have to go underground to get> to the other side?Seen as mugger tunnels - but I never had an issue.I walked across the road and dodged traffic to get to the Rockingham Arms.Seemed to be no Pedestrian Crossings yet - Won't do that again :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/86096-elephant-castle-road-changes/#findComment-943994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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