mockney piers Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Santerme, Paying it Forward was a pretty dreadful film, but not sure if there's anything underlying the concept that's so very wrong. My moral compass was formed watching the adventure game, and consequently involves my reacting to good fortune by the need to sacrifice shiny coloured plastic to the nearest aspadistra. However I understand there's a Cantian reformation that believes the aspadistra a false idol and the true revelation from moira Stuart was revealed only to Brian Cant. I'm now leaning toward the latter and will look through the round window for guidance. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeckhamRose Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I think more people should have pets.Everyone in the vets was so nice and talking with one another and sharing stories and - it was lovely.Just finished hoovering my motorcycle jacket and trousers from where she just jumped out the box on the back of the bike when we got to the vets, and she clung to me for the entire time. It was a 'look, no hands' moment as she just clung!People were being so friendly in the vets! One of them even took a photo of Spacey half in my jacket and up my sleeve, which I may post on here later.You never get that friendliness and chat in Tescos, I tell ya! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atila Reincarnate Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Ted Max Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> annaj, I doff my cap to your greater knowledge of> Joey's utilitarian ethics. I shall add Friends to> the reading list.> > > Atila, what if you are a miserable sod who likes> getting nothing better than a good punch up? Does> that mean you can treat others in the same way?Behave, you know exactly what I mean. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iaineasy Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 haha just got back from work and had to laugh at this thread. F*&^king hippies give them an inch and they'll sell you a falafel, or a cup of lesbian tea. (camomile and ginger etc)-------------HonaloochieB Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> That's all very well and glad you got some payback> and all, but back up there a little.> Just what the dickens happened that necessitated> removing a claw from its eye?xxxxxxI want to know this too, and still no answer big grin--------------------------------------------------------Muesli is fighting for new turf as we have not long moved in there has been a few scraps the las one resulting in the loss of her collar and some pretty bad bites and it seems a claw in the eye!! she seems much happier today though!! phew ?90 well spent.And now for the karma update I found a fiver whilst walking along carryingmy ladder to work this morning!! BONUS! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
candj Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 iaineasy Wrote: > And now for the karma update I found a fiver> whilst walking along carryingmy ladder to work> this morning!! BONUS!What? And you did post signs up around the road asking if anyone lost a fiver? Karma. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iaineasy Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 No I brought some sausages from william rose!! Damn they are fine and she gave me 2 for free!! Double bonus Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Max Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Atila Reincarnate Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Ted Max Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > > > Atila, what if you are a miserable sod who> likes getting nothing better than a good punch up?> Does that mean you can treat others in the same way? ------- > Behave, you know exactly what I mean.Not everything is a personal challenge, Atila. Just pursuing a line of philospohical enquiry.Let me put it another way: what if "how you would be done by" doesn't accord with how the other person would wish to be "done to"?Is "do as you would be done by" enough of a philosophy in ethics, and does it necessarily lead to the greater common good (to stick with the utilitarian approach)? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iaineasy Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 Let me put it another way: what if "how you would be done by" doesn't accord with how the other person would wish to be "done to"? -------------------------------Fuckem if they can't take a joke?? :)) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Max Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Fuckem if they can't take a joke??Or an offer of a hug? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iaineasy Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 haha fair enough Ted!!:)-D Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Oi - Max - you leave my Kant out of it Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Given the original title of this thread and the philisophical bent it has taken, I give you.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1MgCV6uGuc Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daizie Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 PeckhamRose Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I think more people should have pets.> Everyone in the vets was so nice and talking with> one another and sharing stories and - it was> lovely.> Just finished hoovering my motorcycle jacket and> trousers from where she just jumped out the box on> the back of the bike when we got to the vets, and> she clung to me for the entire time. It was a> 'look, no hands' moment as she just clung!> People were being so friendly in the vets! One of> them even took a photo of Spacey half in my jacket> and up my sleeve, which I may post on here later.> You never get that friendliness and chat in> Tescos, I tell ya! In more unfortunate times, I had the indignity of having to take a pet to the PDSA in New Cross....A little different to a Vets .. Pet owners out in their slippers, lots of track-suits, jewelery, colourful language, and I watched a huge dog do a poo right in the middle of the waiting area. I could see the receptionists looking down their noses at everyone . Iv'e never felt so poor . Very very funny though . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofmarkthedog Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 iaineasy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> self interested altruism?? haha no I'm just> stating that if you are altruistic it comes back I> wasn't asking for expecting it! If your cynical> that comes back too. The cat shat on the bench no> doubt, but I'm not sure cats have karma ar dogs> have dogma either come to think of it......_____________________________________________________Chameleons do, ask Boy George ! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofmarkthedog Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 My Karma rides over my Dogma Yes indeedeW**FIt can work this one good deed begets another thingExampleMy neighbor hates heights but asked to borrow my extending ladder. I was clearing my gutters. So I went and cleared his, I just did it with out making a fuss 10 minutes & all done. He went to his allotment & came back with much red chard & Dumpling pumpkins/squash which he gave to me. I cooked them that day for us & a visiting friend, Oh joy.Good feelings all round & a community spirit. We like this cosmic ordering service very much. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Not everything is a personal challenge, Atila.> Just pursuing a line of philospohical enquiry.> > Let me put it another way: what if "how you would> be done by" doesn't accord with how the other> person would wish to be "done to"?> > Is "do as you would be done by" enough of a> philosophy in ethics, and does it necessarily lead> to the greater common good (to stick with the> utilitarian approach)?And it's a perfectly valid question Ted Max. What does one do about the tyranny of the majority? We may think this is a theorectical issue, but see Daizie's post above. Clearly the majority considered the poo acceptable, nay inevitable, but should it have been allowed to exist nonetheless? Surely there are moral absolutes, requiring us to conclude that poo, in any public form, is unacceptable? Or would "do as you would be done by" have won the day and opened the floodgates to unlimited turds in that particular waiting room? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 So not only did you have to clean his gutters but he made you eat vegetables too. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Wow Ive never seen moral and absolutes and poo in the same sentence before!!!Aaaagh, it's happened again! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atila Reincarnate Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Ted Max Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Atila Reincarnate Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Ted Max Wrote:> >> --------------------------------------------------> > > -----> > > > > > Atila, what if you are a miserable sod who> > likes getting nothing better than a good punch> up?> > Does that mean you can treat others in the same> way?> > ------- > > Behave, you know exactly what I mean.> > > Not everything is a personal challenge, Atila.> Just pursuing a line of philospohical enquiry.> > Let me put it another way: what if "how you would> be done by" doesn't accord with how the other> person would wish to be "done to"?> > Is "do as you would be done by" enough of a> philosophy in ethics, and does it necessarily lead> to the greater common good (to stick with the> utilitarian approach)?Like I said before, I didn't take it as a personal challenge, you know exactly what I mean. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Max Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Yes, I know what you mean. I'm asking, "Is it enough, is it sufficient, do we need more than this as a personal ethic?" Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atila Reincarnate Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Personally I don't think so, but that is my view. Sometimes the fact that we over analyse issues makes thinks more complicated than they need be. For me life is simple and the less we complicate it the better. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Ted Max Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Yes, I know what you mean. I'm asking, "Is it> enough, is it sufficient, do we need more than> this as a personal ethic?"But as piglet said, "What will you answer yourself?" After all how we wish to be treated is surely only a product of our nature and nurture combined. An accident of genetics and geography, if you will. In which case, you may consider it the height of good fortune to be beaten on the bottom with a woman's weekly (a supposition for the sake of argument, you understand), but would I? I fear that "do as you would be done by" is an inadequate guide, lead by personal preference, and fraught with danger as a result. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Oh bloody hell Thelma, just do what thou wilt. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iaineasy Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 you may consider it the height of good fortune to be beaten on the bottom with a woman's weekly (a supposition for the sake of argument, you understand), but would I? I fear that "do as you would be done by" is an inadequate guide, lead by personal preference, and fraught with danger as a result.I fear that being beaten on the bottom with the womans weekly is fraught with victoria wood and wont get your grouting done Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
annaj Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Because I've loved Leaglebeagle's posts on this thread and she referenced it.And because it still makes me laugh out loud.And because TedMax shared his earworm this morning..... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/8684-thats-the-spirit/page/2/#findComment-265294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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