Seacow/MEATliquor (main section)

[Jeremy]

Their food is still informal, traditional, and inexpensive. But better quality than before.

[Mick Mac]

Seabag Wrote:

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> I do find the pubs with serious food, which is

> priced accordingly, are more likely to have a lack

> of 'small people' running around

>

what's an example of that type of pub?

[Louisa]

Pubs with serious food? Wtf is serious food? People put way too much emphasis on what is in essence fuel for survival. Give me a rat meat kebab any day of the week over fancy crap served in small portions.

Louisa.

[Otta]

Franklins.

Basically the pubs that are more restaurant than pub (not a gastropub type affair).

[KidKruger]

Franklins, yes, but you can still have a good sesison down the fornt of the bar (which I do monthly).

[Seabag]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Seabag Wrote:

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> > I do find the pubs with serious food, which is

> > priced accordingly, are more likely to have a

> lack

> > of 'small people' running around

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>

> what's an example of that type of pub?

The Camberwell Arms

They have a fairly relaxed attitude mostly, but you know it's a serious (mainly adult) food place, it's going to cost you a bit. Know that others have come here to eat this food on purpose, not as something to do and exercise the little ones at the same time

Lou, this isn't one of the 'small plate' places either. I'll take you for lunch here as my treat, they might even have a suet pudding on hopefully. It's definitely an 'eat and go home to sleep it off' kind of lunch place (we've parted company before this bit happens)

And when I say serious, I mean there isn't any 'novelty' burgers, or 'dirty' or fashion based food. It's for grown ups with some nostalgia too. Pies to share with suet crust. Whole chickens, chunks of meat and more.

The kitchen makes hams, cured meats, pickles and the likes.

Food that I dream of often, in strong portions

[DulwichFox]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Pubs with serious food? Wtf is serious food?

> People put way too much emphasis on what is in

> essence fuel for survival. Give me a rat meat

> kebab any day of the week over fancy crap served

> in small portions.

>

> Louisa.

True.. I eat to live.. (Stay Alive)... I don't live to eat..

A few micro-salad leaves with black truffle shavings and a balsamic vinegar reduction for ?30.00 just doesn't do it for me.

Manzes Peckham Hill Street , Tower Bridge Road.. Pie, Mash & Liquor.. ?3.80

There you go.. Good honest Pre-Football nosh..

Foxy

[Jeremy]

Franklins is a restaurant with a bar at the front.

Camberwell Arms and The Palmertson are "gastro pubs" (i.e. superficially pubs, but food is the main draw)

And pubs/bars that serve basic grub (fish and chips, burgers, pies, pizza, etc) are not gastro-pubs..

[Seabag]

I hate the term "Gastro Pub"

But what Jez says is about right

[Jah Lush]

Yep. I'll second that.

[Otta]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Franklins is a restaurant with a bar at the

> front.

>

> Camberwell Arms and The Palmertson are "gastro

> pubs" (i.e. superficially pubs, but food is the

> main draw)

>

> And pubs/bars that serve basic grub (fish and

> chips, burgers, pies, pizza, etc) are not

> gastro-pubs..

Ah, this makes sense. So what I've called "gastropubs" for years are actually just "really shit pubs" (with the odd exception).

I was thinking about it, and what I really miss are those people who you'd never exchange numbers with or see outside of the pub environment. But who you'd greet by name in the pub and have a laugh with. That's what I mean by "pub culture" and that's what I miss.

[DulwichFox]

So to sum it all up.. There is no such thing as a Gastro 'Pub'

There are places that sell simple food.. I.E. The EDT.. and is a Pub..

..and there are places where the food is a bit more specialised that are not really pubs.. I.E. The Palmerston.

DulwichFox

[Louisa]

So..

Traditional boozer (aka old mans pub) a place that's not been updated in years that might sell pickled eggs and smiths scampi fries with its limited selection of ale.

Chain pub (everyone uses these at some point) aimed at everyone sells unfussy usually microwaved food alongside a wider selection of drinks both alocoholic and non-

Gentrified pub (for posher types) a menu which is decent but still nothing spectacular and the alcohol selection is varied and wide.

Gastropub (for foodie types) is a pub where the food is everything. Still has the appearance of a pub, but it's really second fiddle to the specialised selection and quality of food (aka a restaurant that's been stuck in the frame of a pub).

Louisa.

[What's going on]

DuncanW wrote "I'm confused- I thought Dulwich IS the suburbs." When I moved here an older friend said, "what are you going to do for a place in town?"

[Mick Mac]

Otta Wrote:

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> I was thinking about it, and what I really miss

> are those people who you'd never exchange numbers

> with or see outside of the pub environment. But

> who you'd greet by name in the pub and have a

> laugh with. That's what I mean by "pub culture"

> and that's what I miss.

What some people call a "locals" pub - people go, alone sometimes and just hang out.

[Otta]

Exactly. I'd often go to the pub alone, knowing I'd see friendly faces when I got there. And some of those friendly faces became actual good friends.

With the exception of old school friends, that is how I met the majority of my pals.

[Seabag]

Louisa Wrote:

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> So..

>

> Traditional boozer (aka old mans pub) a place

> that's not been updated in years that might sell

> pickled eggs and smiths scampi fries with its

> limited selection of ale.

>

> Chain pub (everyone uses these at some point)

> aimed at everyone sells unfussy usually microwaved

> food alongside a wider selection of drinks both

> alocoholic and non-

>

> Gentrified pub (for posher types) a menu which is

> decent but still nothing spectacular and the

> alcohol selection is varied and wide.

>

> Gastropub (for foodie types) is a pub where the

> food is everything. Still has the appearance of a

> pub, but it's really second fiddle to the

> specialised selection and quality of food (aka a

> restaurant that's been stuck in the frame of a

> pub).

>

> Louisa.

That's about the sum of its parts Lou

[Grok]

Yes, good basic foods and decent affordable prices. For years and years every Sunday many pensioners went to the WH for their Sunday dinner treat. You could see that for the majority of the elderly this was their one and onky trip out in public and contact with the outside world, social connection they had. They were welcomed at the WH and treated excellently. Since the blow in takeover this has all stopped. Utter utter shame and the nastiest hurtful side of gentrification.

Louisa Wrote:

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> White Horse of old did Sunday roasts and other pub

> grub, but it was informal, traditional and overall

> didn't appeal to blow in types.

>

> Louisa.

[Mick Mac]

Otta Wrote:

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> Exactly. I'd often go to the pub alone, knowing

> I'd see friendly faces when I got there. And some

> of those friendly faces became actual good

> friends.

>

> With the exception of old school friends, that is

> how I met the majority of my pals.

Just like an old fashioned online local forum.

[Otta]

Indeed. It has been said before about the EDF (especially in the early days of forum drinks and stuff) that it was like a cyber pub.

[Louisa]

Crap bloody pub. Not s pint of beer in sight.

Louisa.

[Alan Medic]

And you're not allowed in the grown ups section 😊

[Earl Aelfheah]

Otta Wrote:

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> Castle? Pretty much unchanged despite a bit of a

> facility a while back.

I liked the Castle, but the introduction of TVs on every available bit of wall space post refurb, ruined it for me. Also, there is no proper beer in there, just nitrogen pints.

[Otta]

Yeah the drinks are not good. Even for a common lager drinker like myself the choice is Stella or one of the generic darling/Carlsberg/Fosters rubbish, which is not a good choice. But I like the place.

[DulwichFox]

And one of the only pubs that screens Millwall games...

...not that we get to be on TV that much..

Fosters.. Yuk.. I remember the hype when that was first introduced to the UK.

Foxy