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DulwichFox Wrote:

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> People who really like fish go to Sopers.. Those

> who claim to like fish go to Moxham's cos its more

> expensive and in East Dulwich.

>

> DulwichFox


After spending so long on this forum with detailed analysis of people's opinions, I'm in total agreement foxy. It seems ironic that so many newcomers praise the value of shopping the indies and supporting the local economy (whilst bemoaning chains etc), and yet numerous local establishments (including Ayres and Soper's) who have been around for generations are shunned in favour of more expensive and more recent arriving businesses. councidence? I think not. Just supports my argument that blow in's would rather transform a neighborhood than support existing local establishments.


Louisa.

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> People who really like fish go to Sopers.. Those

> who claim to like fish go to Moxham's cos its more

> expensive and in East Dulwich.

>



Oh FFS.


Perhaps they go to Moxon's because they live in East Dulwich and Moxon's is in East Dulwich?


Oh no, can't be that, they must go there purely because it's MORE EXPENSIVE, silly me :))


Edited for spelling.

Louisa - Interesting research from Exeter University on Oysters...


The same department also did a survey that found;


"The chemical profiles of people from lower socioeconomic status are completely different. Their bodies are full of lead, cadmium and different types of plastics. These chemicals could come from cigarette smoke but likely come from poor diet"


The toffs were full of chemicals from shellfish and sunscreen.


So essentially.


Poor People - Smoke, eat sh1t and plastic - maybe they don't know that you have to take the wrapping off ready meals?.

Rich People - Eat shell fish and try not to get skin cancer. Or maybe they eat sunscreen?


Who knows...

Sue Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > People who really like fish go to Sopers..

> Those

> > who claim to like fish go to Moxham's cos its

> more

> > expensive and in East Dulwich.

> >

>

>

> Oh FFS.

>

> Perhaps they go to Moxham's because they live in

> East Dulwich and Moxham's is in East Dulwich?

>

> Oh no, can't be that, they must go there purely

> because it's MORE EXPENSIVE, silly me :))



In fairness Moxons does benefit from its location and the fact it puts on a good show as being a reasonably priced fishmonger. The fact is Sopers is far superior and better prices; Jasons told me more than once about people who come to him and are shocked at how much cheaper he is, given that his product is at least as good if not better than Moxons.


It's like William Rose - they aren't actually (in my personal, subjective opinion) particularly outstanding as a butcher, but location and hype count for a lot. I think a fair number of ED denizens probably wouldn't want to buy fish in Nunhead, but then that's their loss. Trust me, Jason isn't about to go broke, there's plenty of people who know he's better and go there.

Louisa Wrote.

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> I'm knocking the Oyster yes, I'm not knocking

> people's reasons for eating them though. I'm

> simply suggesting the taste isn't the only reason

> ALL people eat them, I think any reasonable person

> would accept that as fact. I am 100% consistent

> with my argument

>

> Louisa.


NOW you're suggesting that - you weren't before. So no, not 100% consistent.

Sue Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > People who really like fish go to Sopers..

> Those

> > who claim to like fish go to Moxons cos its

> more

> > expensive and in East Dulwich.

> >

>

>

> Oh FFS.

>

> Perhaps they go to Moxham's because they live in

> East Dulwich and Moxham's is in East Dulwich?

>

> Oh no, can't be that, they must go there purely

> because it's MORE EXPENSIVE, silly me :))


I don't eat a lot of fish but when I fancy some I walk to Sopers 4,500 of my daily 10,000 steps..

same as I walk to Ayres for bread.. 5,000 steps.


I never use Moxons.. Rude and unhelpful .. on the 2 occasions I have been in. and came out without getting what I wanted.


DulwichFox

JoeLeg Wrote:

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>

> NOW you're suggesting that - you weren't before.

> So no, not 100% consistent.


Can you please point out where I wasn't suggesting that before? I've read through FOUR pages and am yet to see the point at which I did so. Therefore, yes I am 100% consistent.


Louisa.

> > JoeLeg Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

> "

> They're a pointless food article regardless. No

> flavour or taste, just an excuse for people to

> pontificate the imagined exclusivity of the

> process in which you consume these things."


YES they are a pointless food article, that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

YES it is an excuse for SOME people to pontificate and boast about why they consume them, not saying that's wrong, but it is ONE of the reasons SOME people eat them IMO.


> " an imagined branding exercise in which people

> want to believe that certain food types are more

> exclusive than others"


YES some people do want to believe they are more exclusive things to buy and eat and consume them for those reasons.


Still failing to see any inconsistency here?


Louisa.

We usually use Sopers, but think Moxons tend to have a better selection of shellfish in stock. Agree Sopers are better value too (to be fair their rent in Nunhead will be a lot cheaper than Lordship Lane).


Also the big See Woo store in North Greenwich... everything is fresh from Billingsgate, and significantly cheaper than either Sopers or Moxons... worth the journey if you're cooking for a lot of people.

It's so predictable that when Lou and Fox hit the nerves of the people on this forum that eat filter feeders that they havevto insult, attack and belittle and resort to name calling.

'Oh I had some wonderful (insert name of bivalve mollusc prefaced with some other perceived exclusive geographical name or type) for lunch'. Dont hear them saying that about a satisfying other food such as beans on toast. No, its all about the presumed exclusivity/high cost/class thing.

Snot in an ashtray is quite right, along with posh cheese on toast.

As for being popped at by wanka mankas best cudtomer is bizarre.

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