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Posted by cella March 17, 10:54AM

When you say "will become toxic..." think that ship sailed many moons ago.

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Posted by diable rouge March 17, 11:26AM

So it's Day 2 of the 'epic march', with reports saying the numbers are now in the 70's...including press.
Meanwhile, Nige's trotters must be playing up after walking all those hundreds of feet yesterday, as he's nowhere to be seen...#swillofthepeople

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Posted by Alan Medic March 17, 11:28AM

Nige has been doing his LBC radio show this morning.

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Posted by Seabag March 17, 12:00PM

cella Wrote:
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> When you say "will become toxic..." think that
> ship sailed many moons ago.


That it has yes, but meet my in-laws and you’re in need of a hose down and decontamination. Ardent Mayites are a breed of their own.

When reminding them of just how ‘insert expletive here’ the party are, you get the O.D.D knee jerk “ Ha!-so you’d rather have Jeremy Corbyn running the country then?”

At which point you go to answer and you’re something measured about improving politics, but instead you get run down by a whole download of rhetoric, which come at you as fast as a croupier can shuffle and deal a deck of cards.

It’s hopeless, but I do get to escape, which is good.

[en.m.wikipedia.org]

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Posted by malumbu March 17, 01:34PM

Your in-laws seem simpler to work out than mine (sister's hubby) . The Head Brexiter is also a big fan of Corbyn which confuses me, as the in-law's politics seem more akin to UKIP (and certainly not Lexit). Confused or what. Doubt if he's on the march though (Brexit discussions have to avoided for the sake of some sort of family peace). I think he just likes stirring things up without caring of the outcome. Maybe there are many out there like that.

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Posted by malumbu March 17, 01:42PM

Oh and back to Farage - I was interviewed for work years ago on LBC. To do with consumer protection. I wanted to start off with a comment that "I didn't know that they still existed". It was a station that my relatives listened to in the 70s, and I thought it had gone off air when they made a poor joke about Pope John Paul 1 died in 1978 after only days in office. Is it transmitted just in the outer Boroughs and home counties?

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Posted by diable rouge March 17, 01:59PM

'Epic march' update. The march has had to take a 5-mile detour because a bridge on the original route closes on Sundays. Poor loves, it's not like Brexiters to come up with an idea then not have a plan to carry it out...

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Posted by Blah Blah March 18, 07:01AM

Follow these guys for updates on the 'Epic march', or rather the electronic billboards they are placing on the route relaying the Brexit lies back at the marchers, plus some of Nige's best tweets back at him ;)

[twitter.com]

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Posted by JohnL March 18, 11:16AM

'Led By Donkeys' seem to have come out of nowhere - but they certainly know how to publicise LOL.

Just noted "Hi folks - do you know anyone who works at @OceanOutdoorUK? " - Ocean is an independent media company specialising in super premium digital out of home screens.

They're not going to stop then smiling smiley

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Posted by diable rouge March 18, 11:40AM

JohnL Wrote:
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> 'Led By Donkeys' seem to have come out of nowhere
> - but they certainly know how to publicise LOL.

I think they've been around a while (I made an oblique reference to them a couple of months ago... [www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk]), the 'epic march' stunts have been very good, especially the one where Farage is on the bus...

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Posted by JohnL March 18, 12:27PM

diable rouge Wrote:
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> JohnL Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 'Led By Donkeys' seem to have come out of
> nowhere
> > - but they certainly know how to publicise LOL.
>
> I think they've been around a while (I made an
> oblique reference to them a couple of months
> ago...
> [www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk]?
> 20,1833347,1999858#msg-1999858), the 'epic march'
> stunts have been very good, especially the one
> where Farage is on the bus...


Apparently the march yesterday went over the Middlesborough Transporter Bridge.

But it was closed.

And no-one told them.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL March 18, 12:38PM

Actually the march is quickly becoming a farce. Less than 100 and harassed by remainers (and the signs) all the way.

Farage has gone too.

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Posted by Angelina March 18, 02:20PM

Farage will not be walking the full 270 miles, no. He did say he'd walk 100 of them, which is commendable.

It would take around 10 full days non stop to walk the full distance.

Eddie Izzard is our famous long distance person of note :-)

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Posted by Blah Blah March 18, 02:40PM

Reports that around 40 Tory MPs are telling May that they will only vote for her deal if she resigns by the end of April and states as much at the dispatch box (not that she has u-turned on anything she has said there before of course).

Meanwhile, the third vote might be postponed. She is cutting it fine.

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Posted by Angelina March 18, 02:50PM

she's relying on that.

pity - should be relying on robust content

not to worry - it's only everything at stake.

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Posted by JohnL March 18, 03:17PM

She's offered up Olly Robbins head.

The woman has no shame.

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Posted by diable rouge March 18, 03:58PM

John Bercow, the Common speaker, is making a surprise statement to MPs.

He says there has been much speculation about another meaningful vote.

On 13 March Angela Eagle, the Labour MP, asked if it would be proper for the government to keep putting the same motion to a vote.

He says MPs from both sides of the House, and from both sides of the argument, have expressed their concerns to him their concerns about MPs voting on the same thing over and over again.

Erskine May, the parliamentary rulebook, says an issue that has been decided in substance cannot be brought back to the Commons.



As much as I'd like there to be no more meaningful votes, if Bercow prevented one via Erskine May, it would give Brexiters ammo to say it was a Remainer conspiracy etc, and we'd never hear the last of it.

Then again, fook it, I'm past caring about Brexiters and their blame gaming...smiling smiley

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Posted by diable rouge March 18, 04:10PM

Wow, he has ruled about another vote on the same deal, needs to be a substantial change.
Think I'm gonna break into that popcorn I stockpiled...smiling smiley

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Posted by JohnL March 18, 04:36PM

I've never really seen anything like this.

Bercow's given up on a peerage from this PM LOL.

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Posted by diable rouge March 18, 04:52PM

He's going for the statue outside Parliament instead.. smiling smiley

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Posted by robbin March 18, 04:57PM

It's hardly surprising that Bercow made that ruling - the rules are clear. It is an absurdity to keep voting on the same 'deal' without any change being made. It's not like a further referendum (although I don't support one)- that could be said to be a different vote because previously there was no actual 'deal' being put to the electorate. There is a logic to a new referendum which is entirely absent on this issue of a Parliamentary vote.

There's no democracy involved in simply making people vote again on something which has already been (massively) rejected. The only thing that is changing is not the substance of the 'deal' but the level of 'blackmail'/pressure as the clock gets (seemingly deliberately)run down. That's not democracy. It's a similar principle to that which engages when a party tries to re-litigate an issue which has already been decided by the court. That course would be prevented by issue estoppel or the doctrine of res judicata. Basically it is an abuse of process to keep on asking for the same thing to be adjudicated upon (having not accepted the decision first time around).

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Posted by robbin March 18, 05:01PM

I agree though - it is definitely a popcorn moment.

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Posted by JohnL March 18, 05:23PM

".. There are ways around this - a prorogation of parliament .." Solicitor General

That's perhaps one of the few things that could turn the 23rd March nasty.

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Posted by Lowlander March 18, 05:29PM

Only they don't have the majority for a Queen's speech to re-open parliament :-)

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Posted by JohnL March 18, 05:33PM

Lowlander Wrote:
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> Only they don't have the majority for a Queen's
> speech to re-open parliament :-)


Oh that's the plan prorogation and new session - at least it's not prorogation full stop.

Just a few more Tories peeled off and they certainly wouldn't especially if the new Queens speech was just Mays deal. Dodgy ground.

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Posted by diable rouge March 18, 05:35PM

As David Allen Green succinctly puts it...

The sound of @RobertBuckland, the Solicitor-General, claiming there is a "constitutional crisis" is the sound of the constitution working.

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Posted by Blah Blah March 18, 09:10PM

Yeah it is going to get even more brutal. Government have though declared intent to now ask for an extension this afternoon, so the ERG are not getting their way in any form.No deal is officially dead.

Bercow has basically nipped May's efforts to blackmail her party and the DUP in the bud. And he has done it for the integrity of Parliament over personal privilege (and peerage). Yes it is controversial, but these are extraordinary times.

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Posted by JohnL March 19, 10:56AM

She's creating a backstop - another one.

She hopes to agree with the EU that if her deal passes somehow there's a short technical extension of A50 and if her deal doesn't pass the UK falls into the backstop of an longer extended A50 until her deal passes or we come up with something new.

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Posted by JohnL March 19, 11:03AM

Blah Blah Wrote:
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> Bercow has basically nipped May's efforts to
> blackmail her party and the DUP in the bud. And he
> has done it for the integrity of Parliament over
> personal privilege (and peerage). Yes it is
> controversial, but these are extraordinary times.

All Hail John Bercow - the only guy in politics I remember from university politics (he was right wing then)

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Posted by Spartacus March 19, 12:17PM

Is it all hail John Bercow?

With his ruling that MPs cannot be repeatedly asked to vote on the same question in a Parliamentary session, and the fact that the vote for a second referendum that occurred last week was rejected, then does his ruling also preclude a new vote on a second referendum in this parliamentary session ?

It may well be by supporting one course of action, he has closed off another 😱

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