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messageHomeopathy remedies
Posted by lavender27 06 October, 2018 18:17

Can anyone recommend a homeopathic remedy for UTI and Cystitis.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by Chick 06 October, 2018 20:00

There are no homeopathic remedies. It's just water, save your money.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by Peckhampam 06 October, 2018 20:06

Hear, hear

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by DulwichFox 06 October, 2018 20:29

Generally cystitis caused by a bacterial infection is treated with antibiotics prescribed by a doctor.

See your G.P.

DulwichFox

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by Froglander 06 October, 2018 22:41

Call Ainsworth in New Cavendish Street on Monday, and speak to one of their homeopaths. In the meantime, get some cranberry capsules from Holland and Barrett, or another health food store.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by se22cat 07 October, 2018 04:25

I can't recommend a natural solution, but would advise you to request that your GP refer you to a urology dept asap [the delays for referrals can be long] as the symptoms of a UTI can be a sign of other conditions, especially in men.
Guys have a fantastic urology dept.

A lot of over the counter medications may contain potassium, which builds up, potentially causing other issues.

If you want something natural whilst you [hopefully] get a formal diagnosis, I find the staff at Health Matters on Lordship Lane to be very helpful and you can call first if you find it embarrassing to talk about in person.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by Alan Medic 07 October, 2018 06:59

Chick Wrote:
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> There are no homeopathic remedies. It's just
> water, save your money.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Try expanding your horizons a bit and watch this episode of Horizon. Currently on BBC iplayer.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by Chick 07 October, 2018 14:51

With the greatest respect what for? It's just water and has no "memory". Sure there may be a placebo effect but that's all.



Alan Medic Wrote:
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> Chick Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There are no homeopathic remedies. It's just
> > water, save your money.
>
> [www.bbc.co.uk]
>
> Try expanding your horizons a bit and watch this
> episode of Horizon. Currently on BBC iplayer.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by MarkT 07 October, 2018 16:39

Please let us show some tolerance for the faith of others. I am happy for anyone to hold a belief that is unsupported by any rational argument or scientific proof. It is ok by me for others to believe that the efficacy of a potion containing absolutely nothing of the active agent is increased by diluting it further.

However, I would ask homeopathic practitioners to consider those not of the faith. Each time you administer a dose of less than nothing of a powerful agent to your client, you are, without my consent, giving me even less than less than nothing.



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messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by Chick 07 October, 2018 17:15

Hi Mark, sorry I just cant go along with what I see as charlatans exploiting the weak and vulnerable any more that I could accept “spiritualist’s” exploiting people by claiming to talk to the dead. People have died taking homeopathy seriously and ignoring the NHS.
This thread isn’t the place for such a discussion so I will duck out but may in the future start a thread in the lounge.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by rendelharris 07 October, 2018 17:30

Chick Wrote:
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> Hi Mark, sorry I just cant go along with what I
> see as charlatans exploiting the weak and
> vulnerable any more that I could accept
> “spiritualist’s” exploiting people by claiming to
> talk to the dead. People have died taking
> homeopathy seriously and ignoring the NHS.
> This thread isn’t the place for such a discussion
> so I will duck out but may in the future start a
> thread in the lounge.

Thoroughly agree. "Snake Oil" by John Diamond is a great read for those interested.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by MarkT 07 October, 2018 18:21

Sorry,
I was being a bit obscure, attempting ridicule rather then outright condemnation. Of course the practitioners are charlatans and are exploitative. At least the NHS has stopped funding homeopathy. The British Homeopathic Association took the NHS to the High Court but failed to get the funding continued.
MarkT

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by Captain Marvel 07 October, 2018 21:54

Christ Mark, no one's tried irony for a while!

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by fishbiscuits 08 October, 2018 17:12

I think sometimes people confuse "homeopathic" with "natural". Sometimes it's worth clarifying. While actual homeopathy is complete nonsense (and arguably unethical), natural/herbal remedies can be useful in some circumstances.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by Bumpkin 08 October, 2018 23:04

As an occasional cystitis sufferer, I can really recommend Waterfall D-Mannose by Sweet Cures. Works far, far better than the sachets from the chemist / cranberry juice and has staved off having to get antibiotics from the Drs and stopped me having to neck nurofen if an attack feels imminent.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by Alan Medic 09 October, 2018 07:21

Chick Wrote:
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> With the greatest respect what for? It's just
> water and has no "memory". Sure there may be a
> placebo effect but that's all.
>
That's the point. The placebo effect can be huge.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by TE44 10 October, 2018 08:46

[www.researchgate.net]

Horsetail is a herb known for its properties which help for urinary conditions including cystitis. Above is a link of a recent published scientific study which is looking at a medicine where horsetail is combined with two other herbs, although I have used it on its own.
I hope you are feeling better now, and found something that brings relief.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by alice 19 December, 2018 14:30

I am starting a company called Placebonicals. Investor required.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by rahrahrah 21 December, 2018 06:35

Alan Medic Wrote:
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> Chick Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > With the greatest respect what for? It's just
> > water and has no "memory". Sure there may be a
> > placebo effect but that's all.
> >
> That's the point. The placebo effect can be huge.

So there is no problem with selling someone water in a medicine bottle and telling them it’s a cure for the common cold?

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by red14 28 December, 2018 17:50

Lavendar as Bumpkin rightly mentioned, daily taking of D-Mannose is my go to for avoiding UTI and Cystitis, along with a change in diet. Some people might equate the D-Mannose with cranberry tablets but it breaks down differently in your system (and worth noting, the sugar in cranberry juice should be avoided). I suffered consistently for 3 years straight, having a few kidney infections along the way, constantly on antibiotics and even had a GP tell me she wanted to put me on daily antibiotic course to keep from getting any more. Eventually I was so fed up I saw a physiotherapist who specialised in pelvic conditions and a nutritionist, and ultimately changed my diet to cut down on coffee, alcohol, acidic and inflammatory foods and sugar, and drank more water daily. Gluten intolerance and eating badly were basically causing general inflammation in my bowel which was having a knock on effect on my bladder. I now take the D-Mannose only when I feel run down or like one might be coming on, and I haven't had an infection in 5 years! Good luck I hope things improve soon for you



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messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by lavender27 28 December, 2018 18:01

A thankyou to everyone who commented on this, I have found all your advise amazing, and so helpful. Thankyou once again. x

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by ianr 28 December, 2018 18:09

There's a proposed blind randomised controlled trial of D-Mannose for prevention of RUTI, [www.spcr.nihr.ac.uk].

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by PeckhamRose 28 December, 2018 19:21

So homoeopathy is now a 'faith' MarkT?
It will only work if you believe it will?
I believe wine and ale helps.
Maybe I am not believing it quite enough.

--------------------
Humanist Funeral Celebrant

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by jenny pink January 08, 11:12PM

Homeopathy means literally 'cure like with like'........
so even 'if' it were a placebo,.....no harm done

It is proven to work on animals,so can not be a placebo.

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by rendelharris January 09, 06:05AM

jenny pink Wrote:
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> Homeopathy means literally 'cure like with
> like'........
> so even 'if' it were a placebo,.....no harm done
>
> It is proven to work on animals,so can not be a
> placebo.

Oh please! Can you point to a single peer-reviewed paper that "proves" homeopathy works on animals? Seeing as no reputable double-blind trial has ever been able to demonstrate any proof of it working in humans...

The harm done is that millions of people are being ripped off by unscrupulous snakeoil pedlars, that the NHS was wasting (until last year, thank goodness) a fortune on this nonsense, and that vulnerable patients, including children unable to make a choice for themselves, have had their illnesses worsened, and in extreme cases have died, by rejecting conventional treatments in favour of homeopathy. So, quite a lot of harm done, really.



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messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by jenny pink January 12, 12:00AM

at rendelharris...Why not do your own research....

Me,my dogs & other pets,have been taking them for years,where pharmaceutical drugs failed...& it cured various conditions..........

Why is Prince Charles the patron of Homeopathy,if it is a placebo....

The NHS has taken them off,like other holistic approaches,as there is no money to be made by big pharmas.....
& all their drugs have side effects,which means you have to take pills for ever,to manage said side effects..
if THAT is not a money spinner,I don't know what is


Show me cases where people have died from Homeopathy alone............

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by JoeLeg January 12, 12:25AM

@Jenny Pink


I’m not sure what I find more distasteful - your twisted view of modern medicine, your ill-informed opinions on why doctors and nurses use scientifically proven methods, or your wholesale rejection of anything that does not support your opinion that it’s all a money-spinning exercise for big pharma.

I’ll bet you’re an anti-vaxxer too. Take your tin-foil hattery back to 4Chan where it belongs.

“It’s proven to work on animals, so can not be a placebo”

Riiiiight. Do you have any idea how drug trials work? Come back to me when you do, and you’ll understand why the fact that something works on one species doesn’t mean it will work on another. Glad your dogs are ok though.

Feel free to have the last word on this, I’ll be here with my wife who was saved from certain death by Kings who used an awful lot of drugs that did indeed have side-effects when they pulled that 5.5kg infected fibroid out of her. She’s still here, thankfully.

If you want to spend your money on it then feel free. Please stop denigrating the hard work of trained medical professionals of whom you seem to believe your opinion is equal to their training and experience.

And as for profit? Well the owner of Brixton Wholefoods sent his son to Alleyns and his daughter to JAGS off the money he took in the shop, and that was AFTER all his staff were robbing him blind. So please don’t go telling me that the homeopathic world is averse to ripping off the customer - oh I’m sorry, I meant turning a ‘healthy’ profit.



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messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by rendelharris January 12, 08:43AM

jenny pink Wrote:
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> at rendelharris...Why not do your own
> research....

In other words, you can't offer a single peer-reviewed scientific paper "proving" homeopathy works on animals. I could do my own research from now until Whitsun and I wouldn't find one, because there isn't one. However your response is telling; you know that if such a paper did exist you'd be shouting it from the rooftops, but as it doesn't you have to fall back on the utterly lame "look it up yourself" defence.

> Me,my dogs & other pets,have been taking them for
> years,where pharmaceutical drugs failed...& it
> cured various conditions..........

The plural of anecdote is not evidence. I had rotten 'flu last week, and the drugs I took from Big Pharma didn't seem to make any difference. However, I did wear my purple dressing gown all week, and lo and behold this morning it's gone. Therefore wearing purple dressing gowns cures the 'flu.

> Why is Prince Charles the patron of Homeopathy,if
> it is a placebo....

If the best you've got is that Prince Charles, who has no scientific credentials nor intellectual credibility (best education money can buy and he managed two A levels (B&D) and a 2:2 in Archaeology!), supports you then you really are in trouble.

> The NHS has taken them off,like other holistic
> approaches,as there is no money to be made by big
> pharmas.....

The NHS stopped providing homeopathy treatments after a long and intensive review of their efficacy which proved beyond doubt that they had a placebo effect at best. The NHS is, as we all know, strapped for cash, and desperate to save money; they frequently reject the provision of "Big Pharma" drugs on cost grounds. If homeopathy actually worked they would jump at it. Your statement implies that the doctors and other staff who run the NHS are deliberately rejecting effective treatment in order to boost the profits of pharmaceutical companies, which is not only tinfoil hat territory but also utterly contemptible.

> & all their drugs have side effects,which means
> you have to take pills for ever,to manage said
> side effects..
> if THAT is not a money spinner,I don't know what
> is

There are indeed many problems with the large pharmaceutical companies, but at least they're selling drugs that have been peer-reviewed, tested and shown to work. I'm sure they wish they'd thought of homeopathy; selling people bottles of water without a single trace of the original element in as a cure, that's the ultimate moneyspinner.

> Show me cases where people have died from
> Homeopathy alone............

Nobody has ever died from homeopathy alone and I didn't say they had. It's impossible to die from consuming tiny quantities of pure water. There are, however, numerous instances of people dying, or causing other people (particularly children) to die, by rejecting real medical treatment that could have saved them and using homeopathy instead. Here's a particularly harrowing example: [www.theguardian.com] (warning, upsetting content)



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messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by Sue January 12, 12:46PM

JoeLeg Wrote:
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>the owner of Brixton
> Wholefoods sent his son to Alleyns and his
> daughter to JAGS off the money he took in the
> shop, and that was AFTER all his staff were
> robbing him blind. So please don’t go telling me
> that the homeopathic world is averse to ripping
> off the customer - oh I’m sorry, I meant turning a
> ‘healthy’ profit.



What have wholefoods got to do with homeopathy?

And why shouldn't the owner of a wholefood shop make a profit? Do you think he should have run it as a charity?

messageRe: Homeopathy remedies
Posted by JoeLeg January 12, 01:11PM

Brixton Wholefoods on Coldharbour Lane (as opposed to the ‘Wholefoods’ chain) sold many homeopathic remedies back in the 90’s when my best mate was a long-term member of staff. He knew how much the owner was paying for them, and the extortionate mark-up subsequently applied.

Every member of staff there (my friend included, but in his defence the smackheads on staff were worse) was stealing from the place (and I mean in a serious way) one way or another and STIll the profits were enough to send two kids to local private schools. The rest of his lifestyle was similarly well-furnished.

What’s my point? My point is that anyone who thinks homeopathic remedies sold from cute, independent locations by former hippies are automatically going to be good value for money is sadly deceived. Of course they aren’t charities, but I object vociferously to the idea that somehow they are paragons of virtue.

There’s a huge amount of money to be made in such things, because of the perception that because it’s ‘natural’ somehow it’s automatically value for money. Personally I dispute that.

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