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messageAny moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by SEnewbie October 04, 10:55AM

Hi
Does anyone scooter/moped to work from here into town (Iím west end)? Im considering it as getting fed up of trains & waiting for buses etc

Any advise before I take the plunge? Is there usually parking easily to find? Any tips on keeping it safe from Thieves?

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by Penguin68 October 04, 11:08AM

I used to use a moped to get to work in the City - I broke my arm twice - once coming round a corner to meet a whole slurry of dumped fruit and vedge, once hit by a car coming out of a side street into the Strand (I found out later it had been stolen). Be very careful, wear protective clothing (even if it seems OTT on a moped) and assume the b**gers are out to get you. And they are very stealable, particularly now. Get top-grade locks. Take advice from current motorised 2 wheelers - I'm out-of-date, but after 5 years and two accidents I was grateful to give up and go back to the misery of public transport commuting.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by RichH October 04, 11:38AM

I'll state at the outset that I'm not a scooter/moped/bike rider, being firmly entrenched in the four-wheel camp, but I'd suggest that, unless you're an experienced rider, now may not be the best time of year to start given that it's getting colder, wetter, windier and darker in the mornings/evenings. Perhaps wait until the Spring when conditions should be better and you'll have a few months to hone your skills? Whatever you decide, I hope you don't literally "take the plunge"!

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by stepdown October 04, 12:21PM

Westminster do charge for parking, it's £1 a day, discounted if you buy a week/month/year. You'll need to take a CBT, should be just a day's training, cost about £120 last time I did it, I can recommend Phoenix, their most local spot was out of Crystal Palace when I took my Mod 2. If you're planning on riding through winter you'll want some waterproof textile gear, even if you don't go full Gore-Tex to start with. Check insurance prices, that might put you off.

I got a little 125 4 years ago, by the April a friend and I took the DAS, rode without L plates for another few months and I upgraded to a big bike when somebody t-boned me and wrote the little thing off... Definitely recommend it!

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by kford October 04, 02:22PM

Been commuting on m/bike for 20 years. It's fine, as long as you take your time and imagine every road user is out to knock you off. Wear good protection all year round and be visible. And use a massive chain and disc lock.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by ruffers October 04, 02:52PM

Ride in to work every day, have done for even more than 20 years.. kford speaks the truth on all fronts.

My tuppence would suggest not buying a little 50cc just in case you were thinking of it, get something with a bit more oomph if you can.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by kford October 04, 04:02PM

Agree, ruffers. Get a 600 motorbike or a 250+ scooter

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by peckham_ryu October 04, 06:25PM

Do check out your nearby motorcycle bays one morning. Depending where you are in the west end, they may be ok or may be rammed - worth a look.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by macutd October 04, 09:06PM

Highjacking husbands login as mine is temporarily unavailable to em: Sensibleman and I have both commuted on 2 wheels - him for a lot more years than me.

I had a twist&go 50cc vespa that I adored and commuted to - variously - Waterloo, Lewisham and Regents Park on it for 5 years. I loved it, and only stopped because my work now takes me much further afield and requires a car to carry all my kit. I also had 2 accidents - the first because I was going too fast round a corner on an icy day (racing my husband - how embarrassing) and I slid slowly and inelegantly sideways into a horizontal stop. No damage other than pride to me or the bike. the other when a plonker in a van in front of me with blacked out windows in a traffic queue decided to reverse without looking, & of course there's no reverse gear on a scooter soÖ crunch! I didn't need to do any CBT because Im an old bag and got my full drivers licence when God was a girl, but I would recommend it to give you confidence. If you work in some boroughs you can apply to do the Police motorbike training course for free which is excellent.

I would suggest all the posters above have suggested re locks, plus get a waterproof apron cover, hand-muff and a small screen. Personally I don't think you need a bigger bike if you don't want one - as I said, I loved my 50cc and it was enough for me. Parking was always simpler by bike, but the west end motorbike bays do get full quickly in the day. Check out [www.parkingforbikes.com] to find the best places for you. Also make sure your bike is not of an age to incur a congestion charge - now or in the near future.

I would definitely say go for it, and if you do I hope you have as good a time with your bike as I didd with mine.
Sillywoman x

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by krustyloaf October 04, 10:01PM

Iíve been scooting into the West End for a year. Best decision I ever made. If youíve all the right gear, itís fun even on a wet day. Iím super cautious so probably not as speedy as it could be. Mungoís Motorcycles on Tyrell is brilliant for lessons and CBT. I had a lesson with him before buying my Vespa to see whether I liked it or not. Highly recommend.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by Willard October 10, 09:53PM

Basically just do it, you won't regret it. It saves you time and money in the long run. It's fun (obviously more so in the summer) and London just becomes a smaller place because of the freedom of just jumping on your bike and being somewhere central in 25 minutes.

Not going to repeat all the very good advice above about safety etc. Will give another recommend for Mungo. Top bloke, great teacher.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by natty01295 October 10, 11:24PM

Its great Fun And a laugh, And it gives you a Real buzz of Joy, And you get around quickly, And see more of london, And out of town



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messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by kford October 11, 09:29AM

And despite the heavy rain this morning, it took me 25 mins to get to EC1, and I'm dry.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by drunkmonk74 October 11, 10:25AM

I recently passed by Direct Access (DA) course, end Jul this year ('19) and now commute daily into town, (Regents Park), and my only regret is that I did not do this sooner. I'm kinda lucky with parking, as my work has a basement car park I can use, so I won't comment on parking.

But in terms of riding in, like I said I wouldn't stop this now. You will need proper gear, (this means, helmet, jacket, trousers, gloves and boots), ideally waterproof and if you plan on starting at this time of year probably windproof and with lining(s). Please do not try and ride without the right gear. Road rash, knocks, etc happen and it doesn't matter what form of motorised 2 wheel transport you are using. Don't let others tell you you don't need it just cause you plan to use a moped.

If you can get a helmet with an integrated sun visor I would recommend that, (as it comes in really handy), and some helmets, like a Shoei will also have a anti fog screen that you can fit to the inside of your visor, to help make sure your visor doesn't steam up on the inside.

In terms of security I personally use Abus products on my motorbike. They are pricey but some of the best on the market.

Find a good person to do your CBT with. I would personally recommend Mungo, (like some of the previous posts). When I went to him at the end of May this year, I hadn't even ridden a moped before. But I passed my CBT, spent a month riding a 125 to practise what I'd learnt, then went on a 5 day intensive course with him to pass my unrestricted A license. He is a shockingly good instructor, (also teaches diving), and will only take a max of 2 people at any one time, so you really get his attention. His experience is so vast, and he has a wealth of knowledge to share. He is also really humble and had no qualms telling me after all these years he is still learning too, (his mentor is an ex-police rider).

I'm booked in for my Enhanced rider course with him in Nov, and will most definitely go to him for the Advanced next year as well.

Overall, I think once you start you will just look back and think, "I should have done this sooner". Good luck and if you do start riding in, stay safe.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by natty01295 October 11, 08:08PM

Its ēEXPENSIVEē - But good fun
Be safe High Vis Jacket is needed as well

ē > Just like driving a Car Also very Expensive



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messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by geh October 11, 08:57PM

used to commued ED to Twickenham, hellish, but not compared to the alternatives. Get the right gear and use it, even in the summer. Parking can be terrible in the west end, can be ok! Oh yes, ride in the mindset that no one has seen you, and if they have, they are aiming straight at you, sadly both cases are usually right. I cycle and drive too, just remember the roads are a shared resource (despite what many think) and look out for others as you would yourself.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by evildrwallace October 13, 09:07PM

Hi SEnewbie,
I've ridden around London for around 30 years, including commuting to the city, West End, Wembley and lately Maida Vale, as well as a stint as a courier and I've ridden everything from litre sports bikes to my current 125 scooter. I would echo most of the advice you've already had, including that a 125 is plenty for commuting - anything bigger is a total waste and a scooter is much better for keeping the rain off than a motorbike. My current Piaggio has bigger wheels than a standard scooter and is noticeably more stable.
Having said all that, I'm pushing 60 and am a skinny runt but I still find it very nearly as quick and much more pleasant commuting by pushbike. It's nearly 10 miles to my current job and takes about 5 minutes longer by bicycle than on my scooter - and I don't run red lights... Of course cycling is not for everyone but neither is motorcycling and, if you feel like giving it a go it's cheaper, greener, healthier, possibly quicker and less hassle than any form of transport bar walking. Whatever you decide good luck and I hope it works out for you.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by ruffers October 13, 09:10PM

Interesting. I ride a motorbike every day but am genuinely tempted by a decent electric assisted bike... Just to throw that in the mix!

I'll stick with the 650 bike for now though, if only for weekend rides to the coast.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by kjet2 October 15, 02:02PM

I would also recommend doing the Met Police's Bike Safe course. Best £45 I ever spent! I first did the training with a 125cc and have repeated the course on a 650cc and the training you receive and the awareness you develop are second to none. Morning spent in classroom situation and the afternoon out on the road - 2 course attendees to one police rider. Stops for feedback along the way and lunch is included and you will develop the skills that are life saving.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
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messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by macutd October 15, 07:21PM

ruffers Wrote:
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> Interesting. I ride a motorbike every day but am
> genuinely tempted by a decent electric assisted
> bike... Just to throw that in the mix!
>
> I'll stick with the 650 bike for now though, if
> only for weekend rides to the coast.

Well I do have a 650cc but for years commuted by my 125cc scooter from east Dulwich to Westminster. Really easy, cheap and quick. But since January I have been on an electrically assisted bike. It's been fantastic. I'm over 60 and over weight but I feel so much better with the daily exercise. It makes Denmark Hill easy and it only takes 20 minutes.
I still go in by scooter if it's raining too much. Highly recommend the bike.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by Seabag October 16, 08:21AM

I have a 125 which I love. It transforms your life in a positive way and takes the misery out of commuting. But key to this is bike skills and training. As people have said, get the right kit because itís required when you take a tumble. I once went down the side and over the front of a Volvo estate, when the guy didnít look and decided to make a speedy right turn. His car was full off furniture and he couldnít see out of the windows.

Parking in the West End is tight as thereís lots of bikes, but I generally do ok. That said, I mostly ride on dry days as my work is flexible and I donít have one work location.

Enjoy and stay safe.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by bobbsy October 16, 08:54AM

I've been commuting by bike for a long time. I could not do without it. Echo all the advice above, regarding training and bike skills. Also a huge recommendation for the Bike Safe course with the police. Believe it or not, during normal commuting times you don't often need proper wet weather gear. No waiting for buses, no waiting for trains, don't have to worry when everyone at works is citing train cancellations...gives you massive freedom.

Would also echo someone's comments above - from SE22 to the city, almost no difference in commute time between a motorbike and a bicycle. I do find the moto much more pleasant through winter though.

Go for a 250cc scooter (125 is big enough for commuting but a pain for longer trips, especially A roads or motorways). And lock it up. Buy the best chains and locks you can, and a ground anchor.



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messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by stepdown October 16, 09:32AM

bobbsy Wrote:
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> Go for a 250cc scooter (125 is big enough for
> commuting but a pain for longer trips, especially
> A roads or motorways).

Worth noting this requires a license, so Mod 1 and 2 with the requisite training, which will cost more than a CBT and take a fair bit longer.

I'm all for extra training, including the BikeSafe courses above, but a 125 is a good entry point. 250 seems a bad compromise, sure it'll hit motorway speeds but I wouldn't want to do longer trips on one, if you're going full A license I'd just go for one of the "My First 600" bikes.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by joggy90 October 16, 01:14PM

I've been commuting to Twickenham for the last few years from East Dul - i've done public transport, car and even cycled the 30 mile round trip for about a year. Cycling was comfortably the fastest option but being on my bike for 10 hours a week wasn't fun. I'm now wondering whether a moped might be a good option - faster than car and train and cheaper (hopefully?!). Would a 50cc be enough for that kind of commute or would I need something faster? Thanks!

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by david_carnell October 16, 02:39PM

Would definitely suggest you consider cycling.

Much cheaper - insurance is cheap, no petrol, kit is cheaper (unless you buy Rapha!) and the bike itself is cheaper.

Better for you and the environment and no less safe (possibly more so).

Easier to park.

ED to West End is probably 35-45 mins according to exact locations and speed.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by wulfhound October 16, 02:49PM

Quote:
Would also echo someone's comments above - from SE22 to the city, almost no difference in commute time between a motorbike and a bicycle. I do find the moto much more pleasant through winter though.

Mid-way compromise is a power-assist pedal bike. Means you can ride a heavier and more comfortable bike with full mudguards for the winter, without being a slog to haul it over distances.

Pros:
- Good for the environment and your fitness - the level of exertion is about equivalent to walking, but you go 5x as fast.
- Quiet (unlike petrol engined scooters)
- Great safety record
- Inexpensive to run - no insurance etc.
- No compulsory training
- No need to fill up on fuel, ever - charge the battery pack at home or work from normal mains socket
- Can bring it home on the train (and the "surface" Tube lines, overground etc.) if it's late and rainy and you've had a few drinks
- Power assist means you can run with full mudguards, panniers and waterproof gear and not get sweaty or wet
- Can use all the cut-throughs, cycle lanes, cycle early starts, parks, paths etc. which are closed to scooters

Cons:
- High initial purchase price for a good spec model, £1000 is the minimum for something that will last although prices are coming down all the time
- Relatively low top speed, the power assist cuts out at 15mph, as such it's much less comfortable than a 125 if you need to mix with traffic on a 30mph road
- Maybe not as comfortable as a scooter
- Can be heavy, but for security reasons (see above, high purchase price) you want to store it indoors or in a bike shed. This can be a problem if you need to take it home via a station that doesn't have lifts, or if your workplace has no arrangements for bike storage.

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by natty01295 October 17, 12:10PM

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messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
Posted by abp October 19, 09:38AM

Another recommendation for Mungo on Tyrell Road - heís an amazing teacher and will give you confidence! He was so patient with me and I learned loads from him so I would definitely do your cbt with him. Iíve been commuting by moped for 5 years now and I love it. Iíd prefer to learn in spring rather than going into winter, although winter riding is fine with the right gear!

messageRe: Any moped/scooter commuters?
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