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Heber School is probably the best at the moment, they have a young, really dynamic headteacher who has brought about a lot of improvement over the last 4 or so years.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DPF.. That would have been a more useful posting > (for everyone) than your previous one. > > Histrionics don't help 'the undecided' make a > decision! Bob ...and being in complete denial that a school of 450 pupils would be woefully inadequate (as most of the academy's detractors are) is far from helpful. They are rather unfairly being accused of nimbyism which doesn't really do them justice, pure self-interest would probably be a better way of describing it.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DPF.. what a superb example of exaggeration to the > power of 10. > > 'village school' > 'the few guaranteed to get a place' > 'a handful of East Dulwich residents' > > How exactly would a school reduced down to a mere > several hundred pupils constitute a 'village > school'? Bob If the 450 places includes the sixth form then you are looking at 65 children (2 classes) per year. Now, I went to a state school with no 6th form that had 1600 pupils (300+ kids a year) and would therefore view something 5 times as small to be a "village school". As I have stated before, a school such as Goodrich will have approximately 55 boys per year potentially looking for a local secondary school. This school alone could realistically take up 60% of the schools places before other schools in the East Dulwich, Nunhead, Peckham, Forest Hill catchment area are taken into account. This is also not allowing for those with families who deliberately move into the area adjacent to Piermont Green if the school gets the go ahead. How is it going to be anything other than hopelessly over-subscribed? With the majority of places going to those living in closest proximity to the school, it shouldn't be too hard to see what I meant by "the few guaranteed to get a place" and " a handful of East Dulwich residents".

Certainly amongst the parents I have spoken to there seems to be a big divide over the size of the school. Those who live within a 400m radius of the proposed site seem to favour a small "village school" which really would be the perfect outcome for them; their children would be one of the few guaranteed to get in and their property prices would shoot through the roof. Those who are unfortunate to live at the top of Upland/Friern/Barry Road, a mere 10 minute walk away, would unsuprisingly like a bigger school and have no interest in one being built for the sole benefit of a handful of East Dulwich residents.

I think its caused more by the unwillingness of many white people to move into an area of high ethnicity. This severely impacts on property prices and makes it much harder for those living in such an area to upgrade to a more expensive neighbourhood. Rapidly rising property prices are making this even more difficult.

edbrummie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spot on DPF. To consciously move into an area > because it is edgy surely is in itself a middle > class attribute. > > And all this crap spouted about the amount of kids > in the area now. I think its great that the area > at least is making a start at having a normal > demographic make up (as the area did in the past) > more interesting than being solely populated by > transient 20-30 year olds When we first moved to the area we lived on a street on which most of the residents had lived for over 30yrs, they were thrilled to see children moving back to the area as all their kids had moved on years ago and were never replaced.

People like Krosfyah who claim to move to an area because they liked its "edginess" are always the first wave of gentrification and are often even more annoying than the evil middle-classes that follow in their wake. For edginess read; I want to pretend that I am living in 1970's New York but the reality is my neighbours are all student nurses and local govt workers, who cares though it sounds like they're getting the whole gritty, urban realism thingy.

Dulwich Dad Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Excuse me, but i thought this thread was about the > best pubs for smokers, not for more tedious > anti-smoking rants. > > DD Err, I'm not anti-smoking

But thats what they deserve, and worse.

bawdy-nan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I feel much less anti-smoker now they're not > causing me to breathe their smoke. I just think > that the use of outdoor heaters is a shocking > waste of energy and wonder why its required ... Hmmm, I wonder why they might have a heating facility outside........

bawdy-nan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ah - heat the outdoors there's a good idea. I know > you smokers appreciate comfort (its the only > pleasure I have left etc) and, what wit the price > of fags these days, are short of cash - but > haven't you heard of coats ... Yeah, smokers should be made to smoke outside in the nude, maybe they should be tarred and feathered at the same time. That'll learn em for doing something that you don't like.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Did people partake in sexual activities in the > toilets there? They weren't that discreet.

Bleep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Was there a 4 man punch up in the carpark? Yep, early afternoon.

snorky Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Hopefully a designer baby clothes store" > > The chattering classes have embraced Jonny Bodens > fantastic mail order service - paying out large > sums of money for Baby clothes is considered a bit > "chav", a bit bling Ok, in that case another gastro-pub.

Hopefully a designer baby clothes store.

Its going to be very interesting how things work out there and I shall be going once a week purely out of a morbid curiosity. What was evident yesterday is that the old crowd do not seem to recognise that the refurb wasn't intended for their benefit despite the amount of notices outside which clearly emphasised what kind of behaviour is expected in there now. I can't imagine the manager was thrilled by the four-man punch up in the car park taking place during the school run , or by the fact that the beer garden already has a "lord of the flies" feel to it. The inside is quite good, well half of it is, the patio side is basically still full of the boorish, foul-mouthed losers who drank there previously. Beers good though!

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So if flagrant statements about the > guilt/innocence of, shall we say a suspect to a > crime who has recently been arrested, are > published on a community forum where they could be > read by local people who are likely to be called > as witnesses it could constitute contempt of > court. I think you actually have to name someone, or give info away which makes that person easily identifiable for it to be considered contempt.

You imply that the schools available at the moment are first-rate, this is clearly not the case. Hmmm, Harris Academy, East Dulwich or the Peckham Academy.....

Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Agreed with Mockney RE the Vale. When it first > opened, we had some classic nights down there, and > for a while would stumble down there almost > weekly, and between us we must have put literally > thousands in to the owner's pocket (that is not an > exaggeration). > > Yet, they were rude to us, they threw a couple of > people out for doing things that they actually > weren't doing (not when they were accused of it > anyway). They're horrible little men who think > they are something special! (td) It wasn't too bad when it first re-opened but over the last two years it been going downhill. Its now basically the old pub with a new interior and its impossible to get a decent drink in there these days. The turnover of staff is mind-boggling.

Fear 'n boozin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No idea where class comes into this, or how one > can claim bar A to be working class, bar B to be > middle, and C, well, priced out of reach of us > mere mortals I guess. > > The Castle have done up their backyard into a > lovely beer garden (for us smokers really, but it > a nice area for all). You're right, it has nothing to do with class and everything to do with personal taste and what people are familiar with. I like proper pubs, I never really go to a pub to eat, thats what restaurants are for after all, however, they were all absolutely dire when I moved here so places like the Bishop etc were very welcome arrivals.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I guess the wannabe gangsta crowd will be > relegated to the castle. It's going to be packed > pretty soon, its the only working class public > house remaining. What, other than the CPT, Magadala, Vale, and The Castle. Anyway, since I have been here, the Plough has attracted more of an under-class than working-class.

I wonder how they are going to keep the wannabee gangsta crowd out?

Macroban There, by 2009 will easily be 150 year 7 kids in the area that would not have previously fallen within the automatic catchment area for any secondary school, let alone a good one. Most East Dulwich kids are far from guaranteed a place at The Charter School, or even Kingsdale and the situation is getting worse. I also think the numbers will be inflated by families who no longer feel like they have to leave the area as their children approach the secondary school age, and by those who felt they had no real alternative but to educate their children privately. As I said earlier, Goodrich alone will have 50 boys a year looking for local secondary school education.

Go back to your own kind Christopher, you're not wanted in these parts.

Its never been intended as a school just for East Dulwich residents has it? It will have a normal catchment area which will cover other districts as well. Believe me, if it takes in kids who live within a mile radius of its site, it will be heavily over-subscribed. The 2001 census clearly indicated that there was a sharp increase in the number of young families moving to the area and this has accelerated at a startling pace since.