I was talking 18th century See the soley fact-filled wikipedia...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_city_of_the_United_Kingdom "Other cities, including some in Scotland and Ireland, such as Glasgow and Dublin, and others in England, have also at times been considered to be the second city, either historically or due to their economic importance." "The title Second city of Empire or Second city of the British Empire has been claimed by a number of cities with respect to their status in the British Empire in the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries. These include Dublin, Glasgow (which continues to use the title as a marketing slogan) Liverpool, and (outside the UK) Calcutta and Philadelphia." Ha ha, tell that last one to an american. Is that you volunteering Maurice? Nice :)