I know where you're coming from jim_the_chin, at first I thought it was just an oh no not again despair, loved the bill comment. I'm a bit torn, I don't like to think of myself as the type to demand service in a snotty manner, but if I go to a place that I don't think has any concern or respect for its customers, I won't go there pure and simple. I don't want anyone fawning over me, i just like to think a place should be enjoyable to go to. I'm effusively polite and friendly to bar staff, waiters et al. In chicago I found the level of service bizarrely over the top, but they never looked as if they were enjoying it, and that's half the battle. Or maybe they were just anglophobes, large chunks of that city are...but I digress. err.. where was I? Oh yeah, 4 quid for a bottle of alcoholic lucozade?!? I mean, really, justify that. *madworld, I get special weedy powers whenever the administrator is sitting in a wet field in the west country