And I can't resist, but the problem with Tainter is that he's come up with a clever idea and tries to get the facts to fit them, while losing sight of the sheer weight and body of evidence provided by boring sciences like, err, history and archaeology rather than anthropological complexity theory. As a codicil to your axiom above I would say just because we want something to be true, doesn't make it so. Sadly that's exactly how far too many people think, children or no. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was today, 03:28pm by mockney piers.