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I have no idea what your point is. But the use of a sticksome things to get at ants by various primates is science in action. In fact " There's no science involved here. The baboon is using its wits and a tool to achieve an objective" is a pretty good description of the scientific process isnt it? It is a learned skill originally created by empirical observation and preserved as communal knowledge by social cohesion. Are you saying it was built into baboons by God on the fifth day, just asking as I'm struggling to see anything to do with God in your analogy. Though you should be aware that this behaviour in baboons exists only in some communities not intrinsic to baboon kind. The same is true of other primate species, though learned behaviour and understanding cause and effect does exist in non-primate species too, we're just better at it than most and Homo Sapien is particularly adept. Inference of attacks on atheists is pure straw man, you are the only one claiming it is. If faith helped the miners then good for them, it was still drills winches and engines that got them out of the hole though wasn't it, or am i missing something?

"The politics of the time are difficult to unravel at first glance but I believe the assasinations to be small incidents demonstrating a political instability in an area which a decade later would lead to the start of the Great War."*~ Peckham's instability led to the great war? This is worrying, especially in the light of recent demonic chanting there. Eek!! Though seriously, we are spoilt for those beautiful victorian graveyards around here, see Nunhead, West Norwood etc. I find the war cemeteries in Nunhead absolutely heartbreaking I must say, so many young lads from all over the world. Tragic. Took a couple of snaps myself

"Shouldn't this be moved to about the forum!!" As it goes, one thread already has been; strictly speaking this is duplication and is asking to be locked, but as it's also quite funny I suspect it may survive as lounge material. * edited for for harshness of judgement * Edited one time(s) at 13:31 O'Clock

So if we extrapolate logic from Silverfox's theories, was it all a test of faith then? And the punishment for a lack of faith would have been madness or death? Forgive me for saying so but He's not a very nice deity is he.

quite. Plus innappropriate shouts of 'help help I'm being oppressed' are more, rather than than less, likely to get the moderators dealing with ones posts.

Just because everyone else is letting their dog poo on the pavement, doesn't mean it's acceptable. Someone eventually needs to put their hand in the plastic bag and put it in the appropriate place. I shake admin's hand ... err .... on second thoughts ...

" but if there's an evacuation on the runway itself" *sniggers*

Oooh, storm going, fair enough. But Diva Fever, no way jos? people. It's a poorer show without them, though doubtless the judges were briefed to keep bel amie in, so it maybe a richer Simon in the end.

Faith healing works on faith, so you can just about get away with comparing religion to alternative therapy; though I doubt many of them think it is divine powers, more esoteric ones, or maybe something about Gaia, which vie yet to work out whether this is an anthropormiphasation of our planet and ecosphere, or a genuine attribution of a soul as such to it.

"your doctor ... Is a secular god" That's probably the weakest attempt at equivalency ive ever read. Smacks of desperation. Perhaps if i attributed all doctors' results to mystical powers then it might carry some weight, but it isn't is it, it's all....err.....science. Right I'm off to pray to annaj, plus I've a surfeit of chickens to sacrifice to her.

"The narrator has such a naff voice" Really? Dave "Come Dine With Me & the waiter in Let's Go for an English in Goodness Gracious Me" Lamb? I think he's great!!

Two new ones, Belle & Sebastian and Sufjan Stevens. Both feel like they've grown up a bit. Both perhaps contending for bestnalbums they've done. That I reckon is a good day.

"My hubby has a very big soft spot for that blonde girl who was in Higgle de Piggledy House" aaah, the lovely Ms Honeywell. Can people stop bringing up lovely kids tv presenters please, I'm trying to get some work done. *drifts off into daydreams, Emma Forbes .....sigh*

And people don't HAVE to drink booze? Crazy concept!!

"It is when they're second hand" It's not entirely though is it as the price the vendor paid for it is a very real sum with a very real value. What IS weird about second hand houses is that unlike say art and booze, where notoriety and rarity can increase value over time, houses should match the deterioration == depreciation model of most other stuff, yet we have this weird expectation that houses should just magically increase in price because they do, irrespective of whether we've actually invested in/improved the property. Can i write a longer sentence?

Wally

"Houses are only ever worth what people are prepared to pay for them" As I'm embarking on building one I can tell you that there are significant intellectual property, labour and raw material costs involved, it's not entirely a conceptual opportunity cost believe it or not!

And ni even more exciting news than the prospect of Deus Ex 3, apparently Duke Nukem Forever is due out next year *stifles sniggers*, no really *bite......cheeek....*

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/10/liverpool-football-hicks-gillett David Mitchell on the crisis at liverpool, or the crisis of football, or just isn't it all a bit tiresome really.

How about the all new Canning? I'm sure they'd appreciate the business. Oooooh. A crawl! Phoenix, George Canning, Fox on the Hill, Oriwu Spot, EDT. Strictly speaking the Vale sits between the last two, but you know, NTV!!!

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It's the lack of opportunity at the highest levels, and that can only be levelled at overdendence on foreign talent. As I said short-termism. Money, as I said before is the root of all the problems (that could almost be a phrase, weird) and totally concur with how attitudes of players is at fault.

anyway, alight hearted diversion Montenegro not even a country, claim FA

They are both the problem. A balance needs to be found. I agree foreign players contribute much to the game but the balance is all wrong. It's cheaper to get a west african or macedonian in than it is to sign a young lad from League 2. Short-termism in all it's manifestations is the real problem, the over reliance on foreign talent is a symptom, but you cannot deny that the symptom is having an effect on the quality and depth of talent and experience available to the national side. I know this is a bee in your bonnet (amazing to know that when you've only been here five minutes ;-)) but try and be a little less dogmatic about it.

More interesting data visualisations from Flowing Data. Where refugees come from and go to since 1988. Fascinating stuff, don't bother looking on your iPad for obvious reasons http://www.niceone.org/lab/refugees/