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Very good. Cheney books?

It's all in the thermal underclothes. It was a mere -26 when I went and the locals considered it mild, indeed went around in jumpers. We quickly learned the hard way that as long as everything is snug underneath, you don't need much dramatic in the way of over clothes, though good gloves and a warm beanie are a must when it gets that cold.

Quite I'm failing to see compromise on anything. If anything the coalition is more extreme than a single party government because they can both point fingers at the other and shrug 'wasn't me gov'. I understand politics and compromise and the art of slow progress. I don't get reneging on all your principles. Surely parties are supposed to stand for something, not merely be vehicles for power. Ok the Tory party is a vehicle for power with the principle of looking after your own. Mind you that's what old labour was too thinking about it. New labour was purely a vehicle for power. I genuinely liked to think the liberals were about enlightened principle, I guess partly BECAUSE they had such little chance of power. And yes they do have power, they're simply choosing not to exercise that power in order to maintain the trappings and appearance of power. Like I say, sold out.

Mockers, missus mockers and the mocklet should be a 6:30, but probably for a half hour only.

I completely agree with that analysis Huguenot. And thinking about it, I've a feeling I've also been exposed, I've a sneaking suspicion that the reason I always voted for them was so that I could always say that those in power weren't my fault. Now they are seems they're as bad as the rest. I wouldn't have minded so much iftheywere at least honest and said 'yeah we've u-turned and yeah it all sucks, but life ain't fair' id have applauded their bringing honest discourse into politics. Instead they keep banging on about how everything is fair and progressive when it's usually the polar opposite in a classic bit of Orwellian thinking. I'll be voting natural law in the next general election, no chance they can make a coalition with anyone!!

Ha ha ha first ever post in obscure corner of forum in unfathomable praise of chip shoulder loony. Yeah, you could be right narnia!

Long live the king?

One of the most common complaints levelled at site admins/mods is that rules are applied inconsistently. This generally IS the case because a voluntary activity squeezed into precious spare moments in the day mean that teams that run sites dont have them time to vet all posts and threads. Good sites depend on the community to help with the running. Cate, rather than being flippant perhaps you could report those posts advertising property outside of ED, I'm sure admin would appreciate it, I know you do it elsewhere. Hadenuff, yes your posts were removed and others werent, im sure admin will try harder in future and yeah I get it, you're angry, I suggest a herbal tea and bed rest. Plus there's always the nunhead forum, or indeed an estate agent.

I meant mundane from mundus or worldy to differentiate it from something supernatural. You say that love can only be explained as a facet of the divine, but that's not really an explanation at all is it, it's an opinion and an expression of faith. If im to be cheeky for a moment i could ask if love is the presence of god within us then why can people suddenly be incapable of love after frontal lobe damage in a collision, are you saying that the divine atually physically lodges in a certain part of the brain, does God then have an actual physical presence in the mundane realm? Anyhow I'm playing devils advocate a little. I agree that science and religion arent incompatible, i don't see why one should try to deny the other, but i do think they are chalk and cheese. To describe them as incompatible is like saying needlework and history are incompatible, they're not they're just different subjects. I'm all for faith, i think it's great, but isn't faith quite literally that, doesn't it demean faith to try and find explanations? Likewise i think it's wrong of scientific rationalism to undermine faith, it shouldn't be it's business and that's why I don't like Dawkin's attitude, but tend to agree with him that when faith denies scientific progress it is self defeating and can be dangerous and needs to be addressed. Back to love it just seems to me to be begging the question when we consider suffering to be a component of love in the same way that shadows only exist because of light. It's too neat and feels like it's coming from the wrong direction, a conclusion to prove the hypothesis rather than a hypothesis to find the truth. If I'd been born in the 14th century I'm pretty sure I'd have found one of those heresies a more compelling explanation because the logic makes sense, (ie that it's the suffering that is the point, a view that Yahweh seemed to subscribe to before he became a)the only god and b)a loving one) though knowing how the church treated heretics it probably wouldn't have been a very healthy stance to take ;)

All is quiet on the western front is still one of the most quietly moving books I've read. If you're interested in the period it's a must.

Registry dates are against names. Mine works out about 6 a day, a drop from the dizzy heights of about 10 a few years back. Some of us were around pre need for registration though so have uncounted posts and time.

Any excuse

Indeed Pickle, I simply adapted Katie's roast ring-tailed ocelot recipe for Marie's lamb. I left out the penguin feet and black orchid accompaniment.

Yaaay. The panto continues.

Happy days :)

In fact thinking about it, isn't just as easy to argue that suffering is actually the purpose of existence as entropy is built into the very fabric of existence. Could love then be man's very mundane way of transcending his desperate lot, a human coping mechanism if you will? Actually thinking about it didn't quite a few heresies consider this plane of existence quite literally hell? And catharism (not strictly speaking a heresy at all) believed something on those lines, that the physical world was evil and only the spiritual could be pure?

Have downloaded Limbo, and quite simply, WOW, cor blimey guv'nor etc. What a truly amazing game. Incredibly beautiful, lovingly animated, scary, absolutely soaked in a morbid dread yet filled with humour and more inventiveness than a hundred call of duties combined. And I'm sticking with the ico similarities, that, shadow of the collosus and limbo are in a league of their own in crossing over between gaming and art and the ability to genuinely elicit emotion from the player. Playing it makes me feel like I did watching hammer horror films when i was about 9. And the moments of jaw dropping beauty like the rain splashing on the glass roof. Cripes. If any xbox owners hVe yet to buy it, best tenner you'll spend. Pity then that I'm 42% of the way through after about an hour and a half :(

You have to really frazzle lamb to overcook it as it's a moist meat, remember to spoon juices. ooh, and rest the meat for at least 15-20 minutes before carving, it took me a while to learn the importance of the rest, but i cannot overstate the difference it makes. Plus now I'm older I'm less impatient :)

Welcome to the debate man of cloth. Intereting post but i have to say I find it uncompelling. For starters i don't buy the 'there can be no suffering without perfect love' line which rather makes the rest of the argument fall flat. Other organisms progenise and leave the offspring to their fate. But you talk of love between mother and child, so then we are talking about humankind i guess. That all of creation, all the suffering in the world is for the benefit of us is an anthropocentric step too far for me, I can't believe that it's all about us, I thought we'd stopped believing the universe revolved around the earth, let alone mankind, a mere evolutionary tick in the greater scheme of things. Of the other stuff, I'm no fan of Dawkins either but you do misrepresent him. In his programme and book he talks to Catholics and Anglicans alike with interest about how they do accept scientific explanations and theories such as the big bang and evolution as the best explanations. But I recall the representatives of both institutions saw them as the mechanisms by which God effected creation, complete with all the physical laws the He put in place. So both are shaped by divine providence. How that stance and creationism differs is merely a matter of degrees surely, the evangelicals coopt scientific language in a bid to undermine it whereas the catholic/anglican axis is more subtle accepting sciences observations but drawing divine inspiration from it. Dawkins didn't deny that the church thinks like that he merely pointed out that it wasn't scientific reasoning behind their conclusions and pointed out that physical laws are suspended for the miracles in the gospels. And for the final point, that wine gets the nod from on high, well, I'll drink to that ;)

half an hour per pound (hour per kilo) minus a bit if you prefer it pink at 200 C or an extra 5 minutes per pound at 180 if you like slower roasting. Usual for four I guess would be around 4 pounds/2 kilosish, so aim for about an hour and 45 minutes - 2 hours at a guess, a bit longer if it's on the bone. Skewer it to check juices if you're unsure, luckily lamb can be served really rather pink so no need to err on the side of caution and overcook, unless you like it that way of course.

Another vote for middle lane hogger == annoying twerp. As a fairly recent test passer i am pretty amazed that you are taught nothing and have no experience of motorway driving and then suddenly have the right to go on them. Seems a bit weird to me and I think part of why we are a nation of middle lane huggers. Like the French, Italians also have excellent lane discipline on motorways, though in the towns there appear to be no rules at all!!! My biggest gripe are people who don't say thanks when you've pulled over in London's narrow streets to let them past. Makes my blood boil it does. Actually thinking about it I drove in N America recently and undertaking is perfectly acceptable/legal there, mind you their cars handle like barges so swerving manoeuvres are to be avoided at all costs.

It's an uncanny resemblance (obviously without the being dead part of it).

In all fairness I think the hammers fans will soon be retiring to the 'life outside the premiership' thread soon.

Quids. It's oooookaaaaaay.

Mistaken young quids. We have the rifles, have you ever telegraph....blah...blahhh etc etc. BANG!!!!!!!!!!