Medley

On the cupcake front there's a new place in Crofton Pk, which is an easy pedal for us cyclists. It's a factor in considering chopping in my SE22 postcode for the better value and transport of SE23! Dangerous talk I know http://www.patacakeslondon.com/

the-e-dealer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And you think this is caused by uncontrolled > immigration? Caused directly by in the sense of if the people involved hadn't immigrated the shootings wouldn't have taken place? No of course not. But linked in the sense that the gangs they are likely to be involved with will themselves be involved on lots of levels with illegal immigration? Quite likely.

Tough and effective headmasters Are you suggesting that this is due to female head teachers? You sound just like my late father! oh please. Headteachers if you prefer the PC lingo. Of course you can have tough and effective female heads of schools.

ugh went to that Dulwich sports club thing last year. Absolutely mobbed, ground a quagmire, dismal place at the best of times, poor fireworks, very expensive food and drink, a rip off.

Solutions? Maybe more undercover cops to get into the gangs. More effort on cracking gun running etc - can anything be done to make a gun rather harder and pricier to acquire than a night out? More effort on intel to understand the dynamics of the gang market. More funding of effective small-scale charities who work well to get kids out of gangs. Something dramatic - probably liberalisation - on drugs to reduce the superprofits that trade currently generates. Decent immigration control and effective removal. That won't affect the kids in the gangs, I should guess, but might affect some of the people controlling the gangs. Tough and effective headmasters who can break gang cultures in their schools - although some gang members will respond by leaving school

B238 Forest Hill Road East Dulwich, both ways at Therapia Road B238 London - B238 Forest Hill Road in East Dulwich closed in both directions at The rapia Road junction, because of a serious police incident. http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/london/

and p.s. the main advantage of the bendies is boarding time because of the three sets of doors. They are rather nice to ride on, apart from the other people on them, but hopeless for London traffic. As a cyclist I too can't wait to see the back of them. The New Bus For London or whatever it's called will only be relatively small numbers to start with and so only on some routes.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Customer:- This Bus is 15 minutes late.. I don't > know why you bother to print Time Tables... > > TFL:- If we did not print Time Tables, you would > never know the bus was 15 minutes late. > > Fox. this reminds me of the tale of a Derbyshire bus timetable for the '70s which was a glittering example of smart timekeeping, apart from the fact it didn't allow time for the bus to stop to pick up passengers.

1. Honor Oak Park station is in...Honor Oak Park. 2. The 63 says it terminates in Honor Oak because it terminates in...Honor Oak. 3. Very interesting about the out of date figs. Not surprising. 4. The whole point of integrated transport is that it is just that - integrated. Not nearly integrated, as with the P12/63 interface. 5. Not sure I could stomach voting for Ken. But I'd be tempted.

Email Rail Minister Theresa Villiers now at [email protected] to get a better service from P Rye to Victoria from next year - to make up for the cutting of the South London Line. The South London Line currently links London B and Victoria, but it's being chopped next year - victim of the remodelling of London B. HOWEVER, there is a chance for some of the damage to be averted, if Southeastern trains could be stopped at Peckham Rye and then go to Victoria. Click on the Southwark Rail Users Group website for more details and email addresses - towards the bottom of the page. Cheers.

binary_star Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The DLR is also on that map. Just sayin'. Quite! The Tube map only shows TfL-managed services. But then as lots of the Underground is overground and quite a bit of the Overground is underground, maybe I should stop worrying and love the bomb/get out more...

No, you were referring to Honor Oak Park station. If it were a Tube station it would have a Tube line through it, which it doesn't. If it were in Honor Oak, it would not be in Honor Oak Park, which it is. Frankito Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry dear, I should have been more specific just > for u: I was referring to Honor Oak Tube Station! > >:D > > > Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > wot u on about mostly all the buses in ED touch > a > > tube station!

The Bakerloo line extension is a goer in ten years' time. That means pushing for it now. The Victoria hasn't a hope of getting extended from Brixton as it's already overloaded in its central section and Victoria Tube, even once it's rebuilt, will continue to be massively busy. The Bakerloo, on the other hand, is not overloaded and an extension to Hayes offers relief to the National Rail lines there, as well as addressing transport deprivation and providing, if that was the route chosen, connections to and between important town centres such as Camberwell, Peckham and Lewisham - in the case of Camberwell providing its only non-road public transport links!

Jeremy Wrote: --------------------------------------- ---------------- > What can I say? Building underground railways is > an expensive business. The money just isn't there > at the moment. It's there for Crossrail, Thameslink, new trains on the H&C, Met, Victoria, Circle, District lines, resignalling the Jubilee line, the Overground extensions - it's there alright, it's just that no one's got the ducks in a row to get it into Southwark! Quite striking when you think about it.

> > Besides, TfL didn't decide to do this as an > alternative to a Bakerloo line extension to SE > London. The two things are not related. There is > private funding for the Northern Line extension. > There isn't any for a Bakerloo extension. But that's just how they ARE related. Because there is private funding for the Northern it's happening in the blink of an eye, whereas the Bakerloo will be ten years away from the early planning stages if we're very lucky and lobby hard on it etc.

But it's not a pointless discussion. Parts of East D or the Aylesbury estate or the area south of Peckham Rye Park or lots of other places in south London all exist already, but don't have good public transport links. So it makes me more frustrated that new areas seem to trump established ones, but one can see some logic in the sense that Battersea will have lots of relatively high density residential and offices - perfect for transport demand. Although one does recall Southwark Tube, partly built for offices that never materialised.

I'm all for more Tubes in south London, but it's frustrating that progress can be so rapid on this and so slow on anything else - particularly the Bakerloo line extension, which has a very good case. So I think the point about ongoing subsidy made above is an excellent one - yes, a slug of money now but ongoing costs forever borne by taxpayers and farepayers. However, if Battersea is developed on the envisaged scale there will certainly need to be transport links. What really frustrates is the lack of interconnectivity in this area. We'll have the new Northern Line Tube stations, new Overground services, existing National Rail services, much reduced services at some stations thanks to the demise of the South London Line from end 2012 - but they don't meet up! Those Overground trains will of course cruise right by Brixton Tube station, but not stop at it - just one example. It's like being in Victorian times with every company doing its own thing.

I'd choose E and C over Vauxhall any day. I cycle E and C straight through twice a day and don't think, if you're a confident cyclist, that you'll find it too bad. Alternative would be to use the cycle loops around E and C, which cut out the main junction.

But the 63 does go to Honor Oak. It just doesn't go to Honor Oak PARK. Honor Oak station used to be just a few yards from the 63's final stop. kabekay Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ooh, will the 400K TFL project take into account > any possibility of extending the 63 route up the > hill? I dream daily of it going as far as the > overground station at Honor Oak. What with the bus > saying Honor Oak on the front of it and all...

genwilliams Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It makes the P13 look good. Surely it can't be that bad?

Average traffic speeds in both inner and outer London are scarcely above that of the horse drawn carriage - being 8mph and 12mph respectively, I think. That's how I'm quicker on a pushbike to work than I ever would be in a car. No amount of making roads which are unsuitable for high speed traffic more conducive to fast driving will change those averages - London just does not have the infrastructure for this and never will have. dbboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Southwark Council installed two unnecessary > "large" speed humps earlier this year adjacent to > the Peckham Rye and Barry Road junction, these > again reduce traffic speeds. It seems Southwark > Council would much prefer horse drawn carrage > speeds which in these modern times due to the > amount of cars on the road are no longer relevant.

FHR already has three sets of traffic lights between the Woodvale and Colyton Road junctions, anymore traffic slowing measures will bring traffic to a total standstill on that stretch road As someone who lives on the corner of Mundania and FHR, let me tell you this is complete rubbish. Traffic reaches quite insane speeds north and southbound on FHR, particularly outside rush hour.

Bollards and sub-station - totally agree with poster above saying they're an improvement. Ideal? No. Better? Yes. 400k - I've been told FHR will get some kind of speed control. That's long overdue in my view. Presumably Cllr. Hamvas' post shows this is part of this 400k, which sounds promising - just so long as it's not wasted on rubbish like the Shortest Cycle Lane In The World, to be observed by the Academy on Peckham Rye....

Good point ianr. Don't know in which bit of ED the OP lives, but is getting to HOP/FH an option? You can pick up trains to Clapham J from there too. And to the OP - you can get free bike lessons through Southwark Council. Buy a bike and give it a go. You'll be amazed how quickly you can learn if you stick at it. And TfL cycle maps can show you the quiet back roads to use if you're scared of traffic. ianr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks Medley. The Peckham Rye to Clapham High > st train comes twice an hour so am screwed if I > miss it! > > Peckham Rye to Clapham J will be better so might > have to just hold on until then. > > Bear in mind that if you miss the 20/50 to Clapham > High St, you can still get to Clapham Junction > from Peckham Rye in 30 min via Sreatham Common, > at 27/57.

good point