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Loving the new surface. Hating the getting to this point, but never mind now. Glad the Council is writing to TW, although doubt it will make much difference. Hope I'm wrong.

Interesting post Cllr Hamvas, I enjoyed reading it. As someone who lives at the current end of the 63 route and uses HOP quite often, I have never and will never use the P12 to reach HOP. Reasons: you have to climb the hill with bags/buggies etc. anyway to get it; you then have to wait for it - almost certainly no time saving and it could take quite considerably longer than walking; as a PAYG user, you then have to pay for it! However I would use the extended 63 with bags or in the rain because it goes from very close to me to a train station with direct trains to London Bridge, East Croydon and so Gatwick or Brighton, the Jubilee line at Canada Water, Hammersmith and C and District at Whitechapel, other NR and and Overground and Vict line at Highbury and Islington etc. Renata Hamvas Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dear all, > a couple of people have highlighted the campaign > to extend the 63 bus to Brockley Rise, just past > Honor Oak Park station. Both the Lib Dems and the > then Labour Candidates (now the Peckham Rye Ward > Councillors, myself, Victoria Mills and Gavin > Edwards) were campaigning on this matter. Since > being elected, we have continued to campaign on > this. Cabinet Member Barrie Hargrove, Council > Leader Peter John and GLA representative Valerie > Shawcross and ourselves have been lobbying TFL and > the Mayor to extend the route by a mere 4 bus > stops to Honor Oak Rise. TFL have costed it at > 600k per annum? Which seems a huge amount for the > distance! They have cited that passengers can use > the P12. The problem is that yes, if you are > travelling from Peckham or Nunhead you can use the > P12, however from ED you have to walk up the hill > to the P12 bus stop which is not ideal for the > elderly or those with buggies. Also, I don't > believe any assessment has been carried out on the > passenger numbers during peak time on the Honor > Oak part of the P12 route. There doesn't appear to > have been any extra P12s to cope with extra > passenger numbers (also boys from Harris Boys use > this bus). Do any ED residents do the 363/63 + P12 > combination to Honor Oak Station. If so, how do > you find this combination? As the ELL is now open > to Highbury and Islington, I think more and more > local residents will use this route, especially if > the are heading to north London for work/pleasure. > It's such a logical move to extend the 63 and I'm > sure that many local residents would use it. We > haven't given up yet! > Renata

Think the reasons given against the Lib Dem campaign were that it would cost loads of money and there isn't space for a turnaround/stopover space etc down by HOP. As someone who lives next to the last stop of the line and uses HOP a lot, I would love for it to be extended! Would also mean more elderly visitors could use HOP rather than having to endure the 63 all the way from E and C or further north. And much as I think the 63 is a good route, I do think endure is the right word.

Lost Yorkshire Man Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > With many stops been closed at the moment it leads > me to think that we don't need all the bus stops > anyway. For instance - there is a bus stop at the > end of Barry Barry Road. Then another at the > Gardens. Then another at Crystal Palace Road. Why > not get rid of the Gardens stop and keep the > traffic flowing. > > Same goes for a couple that run down the road from > Peckham Library (can't remember the name!) Totally agree with this, have often puzzled about those beyond P Lib ones.

Oh hurrah, many thanks for this. Let's hope they don't change it. mrcee Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes it is definitely planned to stop at HOP, you > need to look at page 113 of the South London Rail > Strategy > http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/ru > s%20documents/route%20utilisation%20strategies/sou > th%20london/south%20london%20rus.pdf > > It shows that Honor Oak will be served with the > below trains in morning peak (please bear in mind > in 2018!) > - 2 trains per hour terminating at London Bridge > - 10 trains per hour on East London Line > - 4 trains per hour on Thameslink (Blackfrairs, > Kings Cross etc) > - 2 trains per hour to Victoria > > The only realistic way for HOP not to benefit is > if they scrap Thameslink altogether however I > think thats been secured now and they have already > started works at blackfriars, LB etc. > > As i said I am biased but i do like both areas, > you cannot go wrong with either. For me personally > when i looked at transport, schools, house prices > and crime HOP seemed to work out better for me. > Travelling to ED on a weekend etc is no hassle for > the price difference, its better for me to have an > easier journey to work than to lordship lane until > i retire that is :-) > > mrcee Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I looked at this when I first moved to the area > > > and chose Honor Oak Park but mainly for the > better > > transport links i.e. East London Line and when > > Thameslink finishes the through trains to Kings > > > Cross will be excellent (I work in the north > part > > of the city). Plus both Fairlawn and Stillness > are > > very good schools. > > > > Just on the Thameslink - surely it's not definite > that it will stop at HOP? > > > Although I loved ED i realised that during my > > working week (Long hours, work drinks etc) I > would > > not benefit from being in ED hence the price > didnt > > stack up and at the weekend I can always pop > down > > to lordship lane if I wanted to. I figured even > > > for nights out that the 300k difference covered > a > > lot of cabs plus its better to live somewhere > > relatively quiet and travel for mayhem than live > > > in mayhem. > > > > I dont think you can go wrong with either > option.

mrcee Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I looked at this when I first moved to the area > and chose Honor Oak Park but mainly for the better > transport links i.e. East London Line and when > Thameslink finishes the through trains to Kings > Cross will be excellent (I work in the north part > of the city). Plus both Fairlawn and Stillness are > very good schools. > Just on the Thameslink - surely it's not definite that it will stop at HOP? > Although I loved ED i realised that during my > working week (Long hours, work drinks etc) I would > not benefit from being in ED hence the price didnt > stack up and at the weekend I can always pop down > to lordship lane if I wanted to. I figured even > for nights out that the 300k difference covered a > lot of cabs plus its better to live somewhere > relatively quiet and travel for mayhem than live > in mayhem. > > I dont think you can go wrong with either option.

PeckhamRose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's politics and politicians for you. > I remember the House of Cards and Ian Richardson's > character hiring a statistician played by Kitty > Aldridge (Mrs Mark Kernof fler) telling him she > could devise a questionnaire for a referendum > telling him exactly what he wanted to know or > results he wanted to hear. Yes! Although I prefer the Yes, Prime Minister version:

Yes, it's a bit weird. I ended up doing the survey but also sending extra comments (the survey questions are pretty narrow) to [email protected]. Had a nice response back.

The cycle training from Southwark was absolutely brilliant when I had it. The weather - having grown up in the north and lived in Scotland, I assure you it's a darn sight better down here!

I've cycled Mundania-Great Portland St tube area for 2 years and it's 40 mins if I'm lazy, 35 with a bit of effort and 30 if I'm mad for it. 25 to Baker St is madness, I tell you, madness! But it saves me at least ?700 a year, including bike maintenance, keeps me way fitter than I'd otherwise be and gives me the totally unbeatable freedom of a bike in town at lunchtime/after work. I shower at work each morning. If forced onto pub(l)ic t by having to wear a suit I like the East London line and then whichever Tube or a cycle/walk/bus to P Rye and then Thameslink. Even had a table and four seats to myself on the Thameslink back the other day! But in general cycling is the way forward for me, hopefully for many years to come.

Network Rail London and South East RUS While about it why not comment on the London and South East rail utilisation strategy? Obviously there's the future of the existing rail services in the area to consider in responding to these things, but I think the future's important too - Bakerloo line extension, what will come in the place of the South London Line once it's axed, protecting the Thameslink service frequency through Peckham Rye etc etc.

How funny - I'd thought this was just me, but I've had the same thing happen (just the once, but I only use London Bridge mainline station about once a year). New gates and readers here we come. clux Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you Barry > > One little thing that has now been niggling me for > a year - when i travel to London Bridge on the > train and then swap to the underground i have to > go through the large gate that a member of staff > has to open for me as i have a pram with me. > EVERYTIME i swipe my oyster card there it thinks > i'm going out not in and fines me. I have > mentioned this to the staff there dozens of times > and months ago stopped using that oyster reader > and instead insisting that they let me use a > different one. They are obviously aware of the > problem but nothing has been done about it in a > whole year. I have also spoken to the Oyster > Customer Services about it on numerous occasions. > > Barry, I know the Underground isn't your > department but do you have any idea what I can do > to get this sorted please?

And what exactly do you count Iceland and the Co-op as? ASHEALEY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Another NO I am afraid. The reason why most people > came to live in East Dulwich and like to shop at > Lordship lane so much is precisely because there > are no big chain stores! Bringing and M&S or > Waitrose would eventually bring other high street > chains and we don't want that! .. leave this bit > of London as it is .. it's becoming harder and > harder to find streets like this one in London!

Aha! Hadn't appreciated this. Hurrah. Also dawned on me last night as I rode the line that once phase two opens I and my bike will, when working late and so knackered, have the exciting choice of cycling from H O Park or from P Rye. Bic Basher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To clarify the First Capital Connect services run > from H&I to Welwyn or Hertford from the > underground platforms next to the Victoria Line on > Mondays to Fridays only.

The roadworks on Rye Lane are truly epic. I too was on a bus that chucked us all off before it, only to be passed by another as I trudged down Rye Lane. The road surface is absolutely awful. The pavements are far too narrow to support the number of people walking on them and the number of shops in that area. The delivery van situation is absolutely chaotic. The station is badly sited. The bus facilities are very poor. The cycle lane at the north end is a farce - albeit better than what was there before GAH! Tomorrow I will, again, be walking from home to P Rye station rather than getting the bus which should be going from my flat to that station. GAH!

Am I being dense, but how's it going to help with Welwyn?! Jumpin - presumably FH/HOP to Canada Water and then one stop on J line. jo77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Brilliant! Thanks for this info. I use the east > london line to get to work in Shoreditch and it is > so much easier than the other options. Also my > boyfriend has to go to Welwyn every week for band > practice (!) so will be good for him too.

Loads of people get off at C Water always, but then a fair few get off at Whitechapel and Shoreditch in my experiences. Having a link to the Vict line and to North London Line and other trains at H and I will be great. Wish the link to Clapham J, when it opens, could include a stop at Brixton so we could get at the Vict line (and get a seat!) there!! Incidentally, tip that someone gave me and hadn't dawned on me about Whitechapel - instead of waiting for the first H and City train to come, which can be an absolute age, get on the first District (much more frequent) to T Hill and then onto the Circle. Usually quicker, I've found. The H and City line really is the dark ages. Final random bit of wittering - I'm utterly in love with the P Rye - Farringdon link. Coming home the other night I had a table and four seats all to myself as we cruised across London, with spectacular views, in only a few mins. And it was 6.35pm. Magic.

I'd love to see something like this in ED. Have you looked at the film programme at Dulwich Picture Gallery? Great e.g. of what can be done with a DVD projector and a function room. It's A Wonderful Life in colour just before Xmas with homemade food, all proceeds to the Gallery, was fantastic.

My votes: Waitrose - yes please Peoples Supermarket or other local produce shop - yes please M and S - no thanks

Hurrah!

mlteenie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Train to London Bridge 12 mins on the train, yes, but that's only one portion of your journey time. - train from London > Bridge to Brighton 1 hour. same point. and they generally take 1h10 or 1h15.

coopsy76 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bus to forest hill takes 5 mins. Doubt it v. much. Maybe 5 mins actually on the bus from southern end of LL to FH. But that's not end to end journey time. Train to new > cross takes 5 mins No it doesn't! New X is on the other branch of the ELL so you'd have to go to S Quays and change. If you mean New X Gate it still doesn't - and again this is on the train timing, not inc the time you've had to wait for it. and u pick up the train to > Brighton that left LB. I find it quicker than > either ED to LB or bus to Denmark Hill then train > to Victoria as I live near the Plough. I'm not surprised as both those options have you heading north when Brighton is due south!

Surely going to LB or Vict is madness when you can get fast trains from E Croydon or N C Gate? And as for getting the 197 to E Croydon, forget it. I did it once in the dead of night and it STILL took absolutely forever.

yes, great pictures. That woodcock's what I saw, without doubt. Always wanted to see a waxwing.

Update from my parents on the woodcock: "Watched Autumnwatch last night and they reported that strong winds from the NE have blown in many woodcock from Norway." So that would seem to explain it - as a kindly forumer PM'd me; you were right.