Loz

Robert Poste's Child Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > After the last week I really hope that a liberal press or mind would choose its words very > carefully. 'Teach' would be the language of the right wing, surely. Liberal is not the same as 'left'. I find both left and right equally complicit in wanting to 'teach' all and sundry the delights of their viewpoint of the world. Liberal, on the other hand, I could see would avoid it.

I don't believe anyone has argued otherwise. Are you setting up some sort of strawman here?

LadyDeliah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not yet. > > But I have briefly woken up when I was comatose at > a friend's party with a dickhead I wouldn't have > even spat on, on top of me when I was about 22. I did once (a long time ago) have a girlfriend tell me the following morning we had sex the previous (very drunken) evening. I had absolutely no memory of it.

LadyDeliah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Here is some bedtime reading on what constitutes > consent when drunk: > > http://www.trinitinture.com/documents/wallerstein.pdf I like reading legal stuff more than most people, but that is probably more than even I can take. Even the final summary was hard work.

LadyDeliah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Any hats fitting here? Not here. You?

legalbeagle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't think a person would get far reporting a rape on the basis they were tipsy. But "drunk" is > a very difficult area. Which is why your first post was hyperbole worthy of one of the more barkingly mad Guardian opinion writers, but your second post showed that the law in this area is fiendishly grey. 'Too drunk to consent' not anywhere near the same as 'drunk'. Unless you wish to brand 99% of sexually active adults in this country (including, in all likelihood, yourself) a sexual offender.

legalbeagle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wonder how many young men and young women actually know that drunk women cannot legally consent to sex? Erm, that sentence as it is written just not correct. Quite wrong, in fact. And the law regarding consent (as applied to rape and sexual assault) applies to both men and women.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think Tyson still had an awful lot of fans, even after he was convicted of rape... Even more bizarrely, an awful lot of female fans. Possibly more than he had before the conviction.

EDF and Super Hubby team up and bust the crims!

ITV3 (home of Morse/Lewis reruns) have an lot of ads for some hotel chain featuring this REALLY annoying women constantly talking about her off-camera husbnad, Colin. If I was Colin, I had buried her under the patio many years ago.

LadyDeliah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lol, the Queen sucking off Hitler, yes I'd like to see that Then it doesn't count, surely? It doesn't sound like you find it offensive at all. Surely the game is to describe something you personally would find offensive.

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Whatever you think of him - Assange is locked up - looks like for life too. Not really. Holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy is not 'locked up for life' and nor has he been tried and/or convicted.

Having read through the evidence summary I came to one conclusion - I'm glad I wasn't on that jury. I think it must have been a close decision for both the accused. But, that is the purpose of juries. As far as I understand it no appeal will question the conclusion of the jury, only if they slipped up in applying the law or new evidence comes to light. So I doubt Evans has any real possibility of overturning the verdict. What isn't healthy, IMHO, is this general feeling I get that society in general (and men in particular) should not be discussing the verdict on seeming basis it is a rape case, unless it is in nodding approval of the guilty verdict. And that is something can be felt in this very thread. Questioning the not-guilty verdict for McDonald seems to be OK, though. Had it been manslaughter or assault or most other crimes where the evidence was equally of shades of grey, I think we would probably happily having a healthy discussion and no one would worry too much. In fact, I think we did just that with the Oscar Pistorius case. In fact, only last week the Guardian had a rather positive article on Ricky Tomlinson (Royle Family) regarding him continuing his long campaign to have his conviction in the 70s overturned. Yet it comes down hard on anyone daring to query the Evans verdict. Why the double standard? (Not just the Guardian, but overall).

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loz that's hardly the first female suicide bomber. I was talking about the people from western > countries who are getting involved, the majority of whom are youngish men. Still mostly disagree, then. There have been easily lead angry young (mostly) men looking for a political cause for as long as I remember and longer. Radical Islamism just happens to be the cause de jour. I'm sure in previous times they would have just joined the IRA/Communist party/Red Brigades/PLO/Red Army Faction or whatever happened to be around at the time.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My missus puts the whole islamic extremist thing down to stupid immature boys who want to be able > to do whatever they like and own women. > > I don't think she's that far off the mark to be honest. Rather a long way off, in this case from the other day. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30701483

Personally, Sue I'd get a new one. You can pick up a descent multi-function printer for about 70 quid, which is probably less than getting it fixed would cost. My old HP printer is in the process of dying after about 7 years and I picked up a Canon in the new year sales. I'd point you in the same direction but, sadly, Tesco has put the price back up. It's still sitting in the box waiting for my current cartridges to finish.

Ah, I was told it was Banksy. Must admit, I didn't think it looked like his normal work.

Banksy's view....

ratty Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cant believe some people on here think this person is entitled to his job back so readily. I > certainly would not be allowed to do mine if I raped a virtually unconscious 19 yr old. Hang on - don't you work in social work type areas? Where a failed DBS check would prevent you from working? i.e. the law? So you are comparing apples with oranges. (And didn't you used to work with prisoner rehabilitation?) I just do not like the mob making up new extra punishments as they go along. Noam Chomsky once said, "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." I'd extend that to, if we don't believe in justice and fairness for those we despise, we don't believe in it at all. Evans, as despicable as he is, has served the time as set by the court - he should now be able to resume his life to whatever extent the law allows.

There are conflicting report on whether Simon Corney, Oldham's chairman/owner has resigned. That could trigger a whole different crisis for the club.

maxxi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thought his apology for 'the effects' of the case rather pathetic. I suspect that is the most his lawyer would let him say. I doubt he drafted the statement himself. At least he has finally said something about the 'supporters' harassing the poor girl. Though he could/should have really been far more damning.

Being an Aussie, the ANZAC legends are part of the nations soul. A bit like the 'Dunkirk spirit', though that seems to have faded over time. Each year, as a kid, we would march on April 25th as a tribute to those who gave their lives. The politics of the why and hows were irrelevant. The important thing was to remember and honour the fallen. These days, wearing a poppy is, for me, an extension of that. I wear a poppy out of remembrance to the fallen and those who returned - primarily to 'our side', but also to all who fell. To remember a group of people that found themselves in a situation I cannot even begin to imagine or comprehend. Who showed bravery when I'm not sure I would have.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rolf Harris is paying the price for His crimes.. > > One day he will be released. 'Having served His Time' > > Can't see him being invited back to the Glastonbury Stage. or topping the bill at the London Palladium. > > Same applies. > > DulwichFox Don't forget though Foxy, that is the same mob attitude that hounded Barrymore and Matthew Kelly out of their jobs. Yet they were never found guilty of anything.

So it looks like the mob has won. And, unsurprisingly, the world is not brighter a place. In fact, given the reports of threats and intimidation, it just seems a little worse.

For those who might want to get a better idea of the evidence presented and why the jury came to the conclusion it did, I found the judge's summary of the original trial and appeal. https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans