Loz

henryb Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loz Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > > And then you throw in an accusation that I was > > "very quick to criticize the council for > > with-holding information." That is downright > > dishonest. Where have I done that? > > Where did I say you said that? I made no such > accusation about you. Why didn?t you copy the > entire sentence? Happy to: in a post that directly responded to mine, you wrote: "It seems people are very quick to criticize the council for with-holding information are themselves very quick to ignore facts that don?t suit their argument." Which, as it is plain to see, I didn't. > > But, back to the point at hand: if I choose to fix > > the problem that my bin is overflowing by dumping > > it all in your front garden, then you should have > > no say in the matter? That is what, in effect, > > you are arguing. > > That is not an equivalent argument at all. An > equivalent argument would be saying it is wrong > for people on neighbouring streets to try stopping > people putting in measures prevent fly tipping on > their streets because the fly tippers will just > move on to neighbouring streets. No, that's wrong. Putting in a CPZ is equivalent to painting your own private parking space outside your home, then parking your wife's car outside mine. The issue with CPZ is that it fences off x number of spaces - but unfortunately for a group of people owning 2x cars. And guess where those extra cars are going to go? It's called having your cake and eating it too. It's why all the people in the area should be consulted. *All* stakeholders. It is the only fair way of doing a consultation.

Hmm henryb, I notice you left out of your quote of my post the definition of a stakeholder... and then accused me of "ignoring facts that don?t suit [my] argument." Cute. And then you throw in an accusation that I was "very quick to criticize the council for with-holding information." That is downright dishonest. Where have I done that? But, back to the point at hand: if I choose to fix the problem that my bin is overflowing by dumping it all in your front garden, then you should have no say in the matter? That is what, in effect, you are arguing.

Pete vs Life must have improved immensely since the first series. That was dire.

henryb, Why should it matter if the people expressing an opinion live in the streets covered by the CPZ versus nearby or adjoining streets? The CPZ is going to have far reaching implications to a much wider area. 'Stakeholders' are defined as anyone significantly affected. The stakeholders in the proposed CPZ are not just those that live in the defined streets.

I wasn't referring to your posts, DD.

We bought some for the parents in law - YakTrax. They like them.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again... Southwark council has 63 councillors. Approximately 21 of these councillors represent areas that the East Dulwich Forum covers. Exactly one of those councillors comes onto the EDF regularly to listen to our concerns and opinions. That councillor is James Barber. For this he deserves a lot better than some of the rude and snide comments he receives on this forum. By all means debate with him, challenge him and disagree with him (as I certainly do regarding CPZs), but please stop with the ad hominem attacks. Or else he may just decide he will join with the other 62 Southwark councillors and say, "sod this for a game of soldiers" and cease being such a valuable resource to this forum. And we will be the losers if that happens. Have some respect, people.

RosieH Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ahh, it just warms the cockles to hear all these > tales of middle class crime and lack of > punishment. The working class don't get parking tickets? Who knew?

Edited, coz I can't read.

1) Find a pig.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/09/unethical-journalism

I remember my tourist guide when I first came to the UK describing the broadsheet newspapers: "As a general guide, the Guardian is left of centre, the Telegraph is right of centre, the Independent is boring and the Times is excellent for wrapping fish."

the-e-dealer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If Mrs TP isn't happy with James Barber's Lack of > response I see no reason why she shouldn't say it. > Free Country. And if Sue is not happy with Mrs TP's criticism of James Barber, then there is no reason why she shouldn't say it. Free country... > Its not as if he doesn't get paid for it. Do councillors get paid?

aquarius moon Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's all about personality too. One of the reasons I was voting & supporting Little Mix for the past > few weeks, is because they are very likeable girls, have great stage presence & each one of them can sing. Two of them can sing. One can sometimes get near to the note she was aiming for. But the Hamster has been so far off key some weeks it's been painful. She tortured the start and end of 'Beautiful' so badly a couple of weeks ago I'm surprised the United Nations weren't called in.

Only Tasmania, Nette.

Apparently, the ticket is invalid as the contravention as described did not occur (as the registration on the ticket is for another vehicle). Internet wisdom (so take it with a pinch of caution) says that the council will chase the incorrect reg and either the vehicle will not exist or they will contact the wrong person who, unless they are are unlucky enough to own the same make and colour, will tell them to sod off. However, keep the ticket. It is your evidence they messed up.

From the Which? website... My parking ticket doesn't include the correct registration number for my car. Can I appeal? When issuing a parking ticket, parking attendants must record a number of details, including the registration number of the vehicle. If key details such as the registration number are recorded incorrectly, the parking ticket is invalid. However, if the parking ticket error is slight ? such as the vehicle colour noted as being grey instead of silver ? this alone is unlikely to invalidate the parking ticket.

I betting that the one that looks like a hamster is frogmarched to the gym every day for the next three months by the record company.

I suspect that if the ticket has been issued incorrectly it is not valid.

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That was maybe the best performance I've seen from Westlife. But only because I think it will be the last one I will ever see.

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If you want collapse, just you wait for the souffl? thread.

Everyone is 'out of touch' with most other sections of society that they do not belong to. Why pick on the 'toffs'?

Terrorists. Followers of Osama bin Laden.