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Maybe, BB, but he had such a big mandate he can lose quite a few and still get re-elected.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Effectivly the ?350m is correct. It's like your wages.. You get what is left after Tax. National > Insr. & stoppages. Foxy, even Farage has admitted the ?350m/week figure was a bare-faced lie. And your analogy is wrong. It's more like getting 40% off a ?1000 television, and then telling everyone you paid ?1000 for your TV. It's a lie.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What happens if article 50 is not invoked until a Conservative Party leadership contest has been > decided? Will this damage our negotiating hand? Can the EU force article 50 and the ticking clock > upon us without us notifying them? There is currently no mechanism for the UK to be thrown out of Europe. Only the country itself can trigger article 50. There is a reasonable theory that the article 50 button may never be pressed. I think Gove is the biggest danger. I'm not sure Boris really wants to press it and Theresa May will hold off for as long as she can. God only knows what is going on in Corbyn's head.

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I remain to be convinced about this. I think the banks will do what is best for them, and I doubt > they've decided on that yet. If it looks like the UK will lose its EU banking passport, there WILL be a banking exodus. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36630606

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > There's going to be an election - I can't see how > > it's avoidable > > Agree Quids. All the main parties now seem to to be manoeuvering towards that. The Tories will > definitely have a new leader by then, and hopefully Labour too. I can't see any Tory > pressing the button until they have won an election with Brexit in their manifesto, and > therefore have a clear mandate to do so... Interestingly, the Lib Dems have just announced that their policy is to take the UK (or what's left of it) back into Europe. If Labour does implode, which it may just do if Corbyn is re-elected or refuses to resign, it might just attract the centre-left anti-Corbynites. And a few disaffected Tory centre-rights might just join them if Boris or Gove get the PM job.

Uber-stunned!

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ..But an opportunity to leave the E.U. was more important to the benefits of the U.K. than my > personal wishes. > > I acted selflessly in the interests of this country.. > > DulwichFox Really? The economy is crashing, the Union breaking up and we are about to be torn a new one by the EU negotiating team. You think that was in the interests of the country?

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > NOBODY questioned the referendum voting system > when it seemed very likely that Remain would > win.. I'd accept another vote on the same conditions. I think within six months of the hell we are about to face, there will be more than enough Brexitters regretting their decision. There's probably enough already.

I hammer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I agree, it's sour grapes. We've had the vote, now let's move on. This is a massive, irreversible decision. Given it was so close, I don't think it unreasonable to ask "are you sure". If you are so confident this is what the country actually wants, you will have no problem with the question being re-asked.

When I got my citizenship (admittedly about 10 years ago) it was granted based on 5 years residency. It looks like that is still the main criteria. https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-citizen You might want to check the rules of their other country as well. Some countries have rules around dual nationalities, especially where it is not by birthright. When I did it, it was incredibly easy - fill out a form, send it off with the necessary documentation and two weeks later I received my certificate through the post. That's changed now - you have to do the rather silly 'test' and go through the even more silly ceremony.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My worry is they don't really have a plan at all Did you see Boris's press conference? There was a man with a "crap, I didn't expect this to happen" look on his face. Of course there is no plan.

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How about a thread entitled who'd be best as the next PM. Is Rees Mogg the chap who went out with > a Cheeky Girl. If so he'd get my vote. No, that was the Lib Dem - Lembit Opik.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The rest of the E.U. should be panicking a lot more than we should be.. and I think they > probably are. > > Brussels now needs to find someone else to off load all the sh**e on.. The rest of The E.U. are > bricking it. Nope, they are preparing to use the UK as a demonstration as to what happens when to pull out. And it won't be pleasant for the UK. Let's not forget, Foxy - you swallowed the ?350m/week lie hook, line and sinker.

Londependence. Lose the dross and hangers on.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Right .. Brexit sorted.. Debate over. > > Whos next to **exit ? Frexit ? > > Foxy. When they see the mess the UK will be in, they'll stay put.

It was on the Beeb, though other sources are now saying MS are denying it.

The movement has started... https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu?recruiter=22086274&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-no_msg&fb_ref=Default

This independent London idea is taking off... https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu?recruiter=22086274&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-no_msg&fb_ref=Default

Robert Poste's Child Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hope no one feels they have to offer him any post-EU role that requires real leadership. Considering how fast the official Leave campaign sidelined him, I doubt that will happen. I doubt he will get any role at all.

P.O.U.S.theWonderCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm up for an EnglandOtherThanLondonExit. Let's > join up with Scotland. I'm up for an independent London. A city state.

What an utter disaster. Already we see a new PM, possibly a new Labour leader, Scotland looking to leave the union, markets in turmoil. This is going to cost us all dearly. The Tories are now a Brexit party. And what will Labour do? Their two major strongholds - London and the North - delivered completely opposite results. I see no light at the end of the tunnel.

Looks like there was early trading on the back of the late polls, then it dropped back to the starting levels, presumable on profit taking before the actual results.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > You certainly aren't drinking alone. I'm on the > > Malbec, which considering the weather is quite > > unusual for me. > > > > Louisa. > > I bloody love Malbec. Excellent choice. Very underrated grape. Argentinian Malbec is especially good - and cheap!

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- It's interesting that you had to copy-and-paste from a Brexit website, rather than actually tell me what YOU think 'take back control' meant. But to answer your - sorry, their - points... > FACT > EU law is supreme over UK law. This stops the British public from being able to vote out those > who make our laws The EU makes up about 13% of our laws, mostly in the areas of standardisation that we would have to comply with anyway. And, as today shows, we can vote them out any time we like. There is no issue with EU laws at them moment, so why do it now? > FACT > Our 'Supreme Court' is the European Court of Justice. We?ve lost control of trade, human > rights, and migration The EU has given us more human rights, not less. So when you say 'take back control', are you actually saying we want to REDUCE human rights?? No thanks. Trade - exiting the EU will make trade harder. So when you say 'take back control', are you actually saying we want to REDUCE trade?? No thanks. Migration. Non-EU migration (where we do 'have control') is higher than EU migration. When Boris was asked directly the other night 'would the proposed new immigration controls actually reduce immigration' he refused to answer. > > FACT > The Eurozone has a permanent voting majority and can always outvote the UK Yep. It's called 'democracy'. England, Scotland and NI together can always outvote Wales. Are you arguing we should break up the Union? But we do have a vote share in Europe that reflects our population. Plus we (like the others) have a veto on important issues like who joins. > FACT > Losing control costs a fortune - if you vote 'remain' you?ll be paying for euro bailouts I'm going to go for a cut-and-paste here, because this says it better than I can... The UK has provided a total of ?6.5bn (?5bn) via the EU for two bailouts: ?3bn for Ireland in November 2010 and ?3.5bn for Portugal in May 2011. With both Ireland and Portugal now out of their bailout programmes, the UK has got this money back. The UK has not made a contribution via the EU for any other eurozone bailouts. The UK will not pay for future eurozone bailouts. This has been agreed by EU leaders. In addition, the UK-EU deal from February, which will be implemented if the UK votes to stay in the EU, reinforces this and states that the UK would be reimbursed if the general EU budget is used for the cost of the eurozone crisis. So your last 'FACT' is actually a complete and utter fiction. What will cost us is Brexit - just about every economist agrees that if we vote Brexit today we are in for at least two very, very rough years. And that will cost everybody. A lot. So, when you say 'take back control', you actually want to steer the ship into some very bad waters. No thanks.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I just want the U.K. to take back control. So you listened to the bland sound bite, Foxy... but the question remains - of what? Where don't we have control?