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Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But if I want to 'donate' money to something, I > can pick any number of charities that do something > more meaningful than a pub for example. I don't > doubt for one moment the achievement here. Just > breaking even in any pub these days seems to be a > challenge for a lot of publicans. But when a > business seeks to sell more 'shares' there is > usually a reason for needing to raise the extra > finance. Dismissing my point with comments about > dull ISA's and stuff is just infantile. I looked > at Sue's link. I looked at the financial reports, > and I should be able to say what I think from > that. As the link I posted above clearly states, over the last five years, many of the people who did not buy shares initially have been asking the Ivy House if more shares could be made available for them to buy, as they wished to have a stake in the pub which they use. The money raised from the community shares is a very small proportion of the pub's finances, as if you have looked at the financial reports I would have thought you would realise. Perhaps you need to read more widely on the website. As noted here https://www.ivyhousenunhead.com/about.php the community share offer was opened to raise money for necessary repairs and refurbishment, as well as to provide a trading reserve for the pub. These essential repairs and renovations are still ongoing. I am not sure why a community pub which brings people together in such diverse ways as chess groups, knitting groups, dance classes, live jazz bands playing while you eat Sunday lunch, children's drama classes, Irish sessions and many forms of other live music, should be considered somehow less worthy of support and not "meaningful" because it is a pub. Many people also book the lovely ballroom for special events including children's parties and wedding receptions. And quite apart from these benefits to the local community and beyond, the original group of customers who worked so hard to save the pub succeeded in having its beautiful interior listed, so that it could not become flats. And they give support and advice to other community groups who are involved in similar initiatives. I despair really. Anybody would think you did not want this valuable community asset to succeed, Blah Blah.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well when it comes down to empty shelves in the > Co-Op being a major talking point, > its hardly surprising things have taken a turn. > > East Dulwich isn't really that exciting. Its > just like any other place, only different. But it's a local forum and, in the main (lounge excepted) the discussions are around local issues. Which are extremely useful for those of us who live in East Dulwich, which I'm guessing is most of us, since it's the East Dulwich Forum :) Depends how you define "excitement" and how much "excitement" you want, I suppose. Many of them are quite exciting to me. I would really like to see the Co-op improve, so nothing wrong with discussing empty shelves, in my opinion. Thank God life in East Dulwich isn't more "exciting". Imagine what discussion on the equivalent Salisbury Forum is like just now, if there is one ...... :))

DovertheRoad Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Somewhere on the original Ivy House shares thread > (2013?) I remember an amateur > builder/footballer/DJ claiming that she had run a > bar in the area for 5 years. And that the Ivy > House would never work. That dry sales could never > hit ?3k a week there. Whilst no doubt it's been a > huge challenge, the current team have really > proved a lot of doubters/self proclaimed "experts" > wrong. And stuck one right up them. Indeed. Well remembered.

Does anybody know whether there has been any response by Meadow to this rally? I realise it's early days.

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hmmm, a pattern emerges over where they?ve been > placed then. What do you mean, JoeLeg?

eddeal1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > this is the kind of HATE AND EVIL people like > EDF and Britain First and NEO NAZI spread. Christ. I wish I hadn't read that attachment. That's absolutely vile.

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My road is on there and there is always a parking > space. I?m against CPZ. > > > worldwiser Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Crawthew Grove, Frogley Road, Archdale Road, > > Crystal Palace Road, North Cross Road, Nutfield > > Road, Spurling Road, Matham Grove.. that's just > > for starters! I live around that area, and I rarely have a problem parking, even despite all the skips and tradespeople. Maybe two or three times in a year I have to park in an adjacent road, but it isn't a big deal unless I have heavy stuff to unload, and then I either double park whilst I unload it, or unload it later when I can park outside my house.

Obviously they did not make a profit in the initial years, and nor did they predict that they would. And I doubt very much that anybody buying community shares is doing it to make money. We are doing it because we think this is a fantastic initiative, on which a lot of people have worked extremely hard over the last five years. As for "lack of incentive", Dulwich Fox. Just go there and see the diverse range of people enjoying themselves, and the range of activities going on for people of all ages. That's enough return on my money for me. The predictable people are still being negative. They were negative even before the pub first opened as a community pub, and despite the fact that it's clearly thriving, they are still being negative now. It's very very sad to see.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One would assume Thames will be using remote Water > Pressure Monitoring. > > This simple system would flag up (Alarm) any drop > in pressure caused by any leak > and give a good indication where the leak is. > Thames should be aware of any problem before it > was evident to the public. That's interesting. I wonder why they would bother having a system for the public to report leaks, if it's all being monitored remotely? That seems a bit of a waste of staff answering phones and logging emails, or whatever the report system is. But I have no idea what technology they have. However, even if they are aware of all leaks, it doesn't mean they have the resources to deal with them all immediately, particularly after icy weather like we have just had.

That's what a forum is, TheCat. It's like an offline conversation. Where topics can veer off on various tangents, if that isn't mixing metaphors or something. If you want to have a debate where everybody sticks rigidly to the original point, maybe you should join a debating society. Or a philosophy group :)

tomdhu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > If you don't want to get bothered by politicos > door-stepping you then just give them a long > expletive-ridden rant about their policies and > failings and they will strike you off their list > and they will never bother you again. > > It works for me! I've never had any of them around > for years. Bliss! :)) :)) :))

Please support this brilliant local initiative. Thanks to the people who have worked so hard to bring this to Southwark.

The Ivy House in Nunhead, London's first community-owned pub, is offering more community shares, the first since it opened. Please consider being a part of this fantastic award-winning pub which has been going from strength to strength since being saved from the developers nearly five years ago! http://www.ivyhousenunhead.com/shares.php

>Posted by 2wans Today, 03:14PM >Don't worry, JoeLeg. Sue doesn't appear to be getting out of her bed any time soon. So you started posting on this forum on 6 February, 2wans. Would you say that your fourteen posts so far, including those on this thread, have contributed to the forum or the local community at all? I'm genuinely interested to know.

Nigello Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > https://store.terravesta.com/ This stuff is very > energy efficient and has free delivery right now. That's interesting! I've never come across Miscanthus used as a fuel before, only as a decorative grass! It may be sustainable etc, but I can't see anything on their website about possible pollution (or not) when it is burned? ETA: These are what I have used for the last year or so: http://www.fuelexpress.co.uk/products/winter-fuels/heatlogs https://www.homebase.co.uk/fuel-express-heat-logs_p493186

Sometimes little things need to be picked up on, because if they are not they become acceptable. If that leads to a slanging match, then that is regrettable. Better that than pretending it doesn't matter, in my opinion. So-called "limp wristed" people are part of the community too. Aren't they? It's the tacit acceptance of this kind of language that gets kids bullied at school for being "different", and not how the other kids think they should be. I personally think it is worthwhile to point this out. I'm sorry you find it embarrassing.

Dom Johnston Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Limp wristed knock or limp wristed handshake > generally describes a lack of confidence rather > than someones sexual orientation. It's one of the > first things people are ever taught about > interviewing, a firm handshake exudes > confidence... I totally agree a handshake like a wet fish is not pleasant to receive. However as noted above, the expression "limp wristed" is generally used not to denote a lack of confidence but to denote somebody with what could be described as effeminate characteristics, or as the OP would have it, "unmanly".

2wans Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sue, you are, at the very least, 25 years older > than me, but I did not have you down as a > degenerate... quite yet. > > An UNMANLY knock. A loose, quiet knock has been > heard, by the hour. You obviously have nothing > useful to add to this thread, & it seems you spend > most of your life in bed, as you're on these > forums 24/7. Go get some fresh air. It'll do you > some good. What a charming post. And so new to the forum, too. ETA: And what exactly is "UNMANLY", anyway? How would you describe your apparently preferred "MANLY" knock? Do "Real Men" only knock strong and hard and with a wrist that is whatever the opposite of limp is? Do women not campaign these days? Maybe the knocker was knocking gently so as not to wake any sleeping children? And WTF is it to you what I do with my time and how often I post on this forum? I presently have what appears to be flu, and even if I didn't have, so what? I live locally, it's a local forum and I have every right to post on it as much as I like. If you don't like the content or frequency of my posts, you can find another forum to spend your own important time on.

2wans Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Since you have so much time on your hands, Sue, > why don't you google search that. I'm ill in bed, that's why I "have so much time on my hands". Why don't you just explain, since you used the expression and I don't think it sounds very nice. ETA: I have googled it, and it's as I thought, so perhaps you could explain why you used it.

The thing that really annoys me, which seems to be becoming more and more frequent round here, is cars holding up traffic in both directions to do a U-turn on a main road. Sometimes they do it with no warning whatsoever. All to save a couple of minutes diverting round side roads, or turning right into a side road and doing a three point turn (does that expression still exist?) there.

2wans Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've been told that the Lib Dems are back at it > again with their persistent, limp-wristed knocks. What is a "limp-wristed knock", exactly?

The trouble is, if everybody assumes somebody else has reported it, it may end up that nobody reports it, and then Thames Water may not even be aware that there is a leak.

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Pretty sad frankly, but we all know what happens > when they aren?t opposed at the earliest > opportunity. Yes. Thank you to those posting here who have taken appropriate action.

Calsug Wrote: ----------------------------------------------------- > > > As for cars pulling out in front of you, > definitely a London thing and totally > selfish/dangerous or even what I call the > aggressive nudging out into the road at junctions > - if they pull out in front of me to do this I now > make a point of driving round them if they are > blocking my side of the road ( when I safely can) Whilst I agree this may often be selfish/aggressive (probably the same drivers who tailgate others to intimidate them in a 20mph zone), it is sometimes very difficult to see from a side road when the main road is clear to pull out, because of parked cars in either the side or main road. Also, particularly if there is a lot of traffic, sometimes the only thing to do is to nudge out gradually so that you can see and make use of a brief break in the traffic. Many of the side roads round here are just not suited for the amount of parking and traffic they get, and people parking on double yellows with no fear of a fine just makes things worse for everybody else.

Don't know if this is relevant, but Thames Water were really overstretched at the time of the previous snow/freeze, and I don't know how they decide their priorities. I imagine they have another load of leaks now, plus some (as this one?) left over from before. It would make sense to do it in conjunction with the roadworks though I guess, but who knows. Maybe if somebody phoned they could get more info?