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Aaarrrggghhh!! Thanks all. Will draw plan soon but multi-tasking on a myriad things at the moment!

ed_pete Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If your toilet in the new bathroom/old bedroom is > positioned against the same exterior wall as it is > at the moment then surely its just a case of > running a soil pipe externally across to the > vertical soil pipe ? Unfortunately it isnt. The existing bathroom takes up the whole back wall of the back extension or whatever it's called, and the toilet is immediately in front of you as you come up the stairs. It is on the side of the room adjoining my neighbour. The new bathroom has an external wall at right angles to the back wall and on the other side of it, above the path down the side of my house.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We did exactly what you're talking about. Its > definitely possible... will involve some digging > of trenches and destruction of any existing patio. > Definitely worth doing, bathroom at the back is a > rubbish configuration. Thanks Jeremy. How much destruction was involved?!

Posted by Grok Yesterday, 11:30PM Spend some money and do it properly via a qualified builder etc and stop being a boring tightwad on edf looking for cheapskate solutions ffs. Well well, the lovely Grok having a go at me again. As charming online as in real life. KidKruger is a friend and neighbour of mine and I would value his advice if he has experience of moving bathrooms, so that I have some knowledge of what may be involved before getting builders and/or plumbers to quote. He is hardly likely to give up his day job (not involving building or plumbing) to come and work on my house :)) Obviously I would get qualified tradespeople to move the soil pipe and the bathroom if I decide to go ahead. FFS indeed. ETA: Ah, I see the lovely Grok has edited his charming post.

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sue if you want me to pop round for 10 mins I can > probably answer your questions, I've relocated a > few bathrooms previously so not rocket science to > me - you could call it a free quote, without the > quote. If you like that idea text me sometime. Hey you're a star, will do! Thanks!

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I did something similar as part of a major house > refurb to our house which was dilapidated when be > bought it. The cost should be just the normal > cost of fitting out a brand new bathroom plus a > few grand to relocate the soil pipe. How > complicated the new run needs to be depends on > your existing plumbing though so the first person > I'd speak to is a plumber who can let you know > what solutions are feasible. I agree though that > if its possible, its worth doing. Thanks. Yes, I will ask a plumber to have a look and then I'll have a clearer idea what would be involved and the likely cost.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm guessing (and this is only speaking as an > absolute DIY bodger with many a plumbing disaster > behind me) that if you didn't mind a boxed in soil > pipe running across (as I can visualise it) the > left hand wall of the new bedroom it wouldn't cost > much at all? Hole in the partition wall and new > external hole. Sounds awful but if it was at the > back of a built in cupboard or the footing for a > bookcase nobody would know...doubtless more > informed people might know if that's allowable > under building regs but... Thanks! I can't really visualise what you are suggesting. Wherever the loo went in the new room, it would be on a diagonal to the existing one. Maybe I should draw a plan and attach it (not tonight!)

I was told years ago that it would be prohibitively expensive to move a soil pipe, but I'm now rethinking. I'm in a small mid-terrace, 2/3 beds. At present, my rooms are in a weird configuration such that you go up the stairs to be faced with the toilet in the bathroom. This is a relatively large room overlooking the back garden. Except of course it doesn't, because the window has frosted glass. The third "bedroom" is a very small single (just about) bedroom with the door on the left as you go towards the bathroom, and is presently used as an office. I quite like having a large bathroom, but more and more it seems ridiculous to have the rooms this way round. If I changed them over, I could make the "new" bathroom even smaller and the "new" bedroom even bigger quite easily as the internal walls are partition walls. I'm not intending to sell in the near future, but an estate agent has advised me that changing the rooms over would increase the value of the house as people want three double beds and aren't bothered about having a large bathroom. Obviously whether it would be worth it from a financial point of view would depend on the cost of doing it. I could re-use some of the existing bathroom fittings, and the window at the side of the house isn't ideally placed but not impossibly so, so the sticking point would seem to be the soil pipe. I've googled it but there are so many variables it's hard to tell. I realise it would depend to some extent on the new position of the toilet. I know I'd need to get somebody to come and look at it, but before I do, I just wondered what people's thoughts were and if there's anybody in a similar house in East Dulwich who has had it done?

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Really? You just blew a 300! Who, me? Well as I've never understood what all that was about, despite all my years on here, it doesn't really matter :) Well, not to me, anyway :)

BrandNewGuy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DulwichFox Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Do not know if they have Free range.. The term > > Free range is virtually meaningless. > > Any animal in an enclosed shed that can see > > daylight through an opening can be called free > > range. > > Even if the place is so crowded they could > never > > reach the outside. > > > > Foxy > > Not quite true. For meat chickens, they must have > outdoor access for at least 8 hours a day. For egg > layers, they can be indoors all the time, but are > not caged. Oh thank you, BNG, that has made me feel a lot better x

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I'll PM you the selfie pics. Please don't :)) ETA: But thank you for the info about free range - I didn't know that and will be a bit more careful what I buy in future :(

That's a result! Good on Southwark Council!

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was going to try the Xoco Bar tonight but the > Chicken selection from the Menu is a bit sparse.. > Stuffed Chicken Masala / Chicken Tikka Masala.. > Place seems to be popular despite the competition > across the road. > > Hope that does not come across too narcissistic > talking about something I may do this evening. > > Perhaps a selfie stick is in order.. :) > > Foxy Can we expect a running commentary on every moment of your day from now on, Fox? 😂 And on a different topic, do you know if their chicken is free range?

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > People sitting near windows to 'look through > them'? > > Pull the other one. > :)) :)) :))

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sue Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > > > > WTF? > > > > We had a choice of seats and we chose the > window > > seats for reasons I have explained above. The > view > > is irrelevant. We usually see people we know in > > Lordship Lane. > > > > I spent some of the time reading a sewing > machine > > catalogue. Really cool. > > > > And of course we bloody went there because we > > wanted to try it. > > > > I was in old clothes, unwashed hair and > glasses. > > Hardly what I'd wear to "be seen". > > > > You really do seem to have very strange ideas, > and > > I'd prefer it if they didn't involve telling me > > why I do things. > > > > Thanks. > > Sue you've made me point for me. You said you > wanted to be seated by the window so you could see > if people you knew walked by? If you are going for > a meal why would you be interested in seeing > people, or communicating with people you may know > outIde of the restaurant? Forgive me here, but > what a peculiar thing to want to do? Why would you > want to do that? Doesn't this make my point for > me? Not saying that's why you did it, but it > hardly backs up the idea of why people eat in > restaurants to enjoy the food! > If you are trying to deliberately wind me up, congratulations,you are succeeding. We are all different. Why not rejoice in that fact instead of expecting everybody else to be like you?

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sue I know you have the best intentions when you > say you like to "look out the window", but > honestly, did you go the ML because you were > curious to try it, or because you wanted to be > seen sat there by the window, so people could see > you sat there? Did you request the window seats? I > am genuinely curious how people's minds work. I > just don't see why anyone would want to sit in the > window of a restaurant with a view of a bus stop, > busy junction and not much else. It's hardly the > hanging gardens of Babylon you're facing out onto. > > > I do think some people enjoy that risqu? aspect of > being part of the crowd, seen in certain places. > It's almost a mild form of attention seeking. Some > may not even realise they're doing it, or want to > confess. > WTF? We had a choice of seats and we chose the window seats for reasons I have explained above. The view is irrelevant. We usually see people we know in Lordship Lane. I spent some of the time reading a sewing machine catalogue. Really cool. And of course we bloody went there because we wanted to try it. I was in old clothes, unwashed hair and glasses. Hardly what I'd wear to "be seen". You really do seem to have very strange ideas, and I'd prefer it if they didn't involve telling me why I do things. Thanks.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >Why else would ML put seats > in the window so people can be stared at whilst > they eat? I've heard it all now. Erm, perhaps because people like to look out of the window? I do. I like to see what's going on. I expect other people do too. We sat in the window so that we could watch the passers by. We were hoping to see people we knew and say hello, as we did when we sat in the window at John The Unicorn. Sadly on Saturday we didn't, and in any case the window was closed so we'd have had to get up and go outside to say hello. We didn't notice anybody staring at us. We did see a lot of passers by looking in to see what the place is like. We did the same when we first passed by. We usually go for a window seat if there's one free, wherever we are eating and/or drinking. Plus, there's more light at a window seat. And so far as sitting outside the Palmerston or Franklins is concerned, if the weather is nice and there's a table free which isn't near smokers, we like to sit outside as well. Doing it in order "to be stared at" has never entered our minds, and without wanting to speak for anybody else I'd be surprised if it has entered anybody else's minds either. Ale, Foxy - they have a very nice lager (Hobo) and some nice craft beers, which they will be changing from time to time. We had things we hadn't had before and it was all good, though rather more than you'd pay for a pint of Adnam's, or whatever you drink. I can't see there's much point in serving real ale when there are so many pubs within such a small area all serving it already. Plus the wastage would be horrendous if hardly anybody was drinking it, aeven assuming they had the facilities to keep it properly.

We were made very welcome. Maybe some older people just feel uncomfortable not being around people their own age? East Dulwich probably isn't the ideal place to live if so! ETA: Oh, and we weren't at the opening night, either, so no bribery involved in my saying I like the place on here.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Probably better suited to the 18-30 set.. Not part > of E.D. Gentrificaion.. more suited to Ibiza or > Aya Napa. > For a while will be the new Franco Manca till > something else comes along.. > The younger E.D. folk are a fickle lot.. > What are you on about now?! Not part of ED gentrification? I think it is you who are out of step, not Meat Liquor! 18-30? I am in my sixties and think it's great. And I've never been to Ibiza! And what is fickle about liking to eat in different places? We don't all stick to the same place every time we go out!

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > oh, I hadn't realised... I thought it was a 3rd > update on Phil's hunt around ED. > > Don't watch enough daytime telly. It was on last night wasn't it? I recorded it but thought I watched it shortly after it had been on.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I saw this too. Whoever makes these shows needs to > do their geography homework. They're talking about > east dulwich and showing clips of Sydenham, > crystal palace and penge. Why? > > Louisa. They showed lots of East Dulwich, mainly the bottom end of Lordship Lane, but they were talking about the whole general area as possible places to live.

It never got mentioned again though .... She bought a flat in Crystal Palace ..the buyer that is, obv. Having rejected Beckenham ....

There is a happy medium between stuffing your face with unhealthy food and eating boring food you don't like. A diet of fat and sugar - bad. The occasional burger and fries or slice of cake - a treat and highly unlikely to do any harm unless your GP has advised otherwise, surely.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What we need is a Bar with BYOF Bring Your Own > Food.. > > The Hob Goblin in Forest hill used to do this.. > So did The Crystal Palace Tavern (now The Great Exhibition). It didn't have a kitchen. You could get food delivered there.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I do not like ANY music when eating. Even in the > Indian.. > I would rather be able to talk if in company. > > Certainly even from outside MEATliquor the music > is deafening.. > And that is coming from someone seemingly deaf > for not hearing Aircraft noise. > We didn't have any problems hearing each other speak! We'd have left if we had!