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What would he want with a humble Zafira? I've only heard of this happening (rarely) when there's an Audi TT on the drive or something. What's the reg. and colour? We could keep an eye open for it.

DJKQ is correct. Ignore those impatient drivers behind you. Let them have the heart attack while you cross safely in your own time.

aep, someone's trying to clone your car. I'd have some alibis ready for when the parking fines, congestion charge PCNs and speeding tickets come in.

Distraction is a bigger part of it, distraction from looking at your speedo when you should be looking for cars pulling out on you. I read somewhere that a one-second distraction at 30 mph could add 10mph to an impact. This accident would still have happened with a speed camera in place.

Speed isn't the only issue here though - these recent accidents were caused by stationary vehicles pulling out on moving vehicles. That bus probably wasn't speeding, as there is a stop not far away. Just tackling speeding motorists (of which there aren't that many, according to your speed gun survey) will not make this junction safe. I'm convinced the answer lies in better sightlines - an even cheaper option involving double lines of yellow paint extended 30m up Barry Road.

I think they're called 'tabletops'. You could get the same effect with a raised zebra crossing, like the one on Peckham Rye outside the electrical shop cafe. That would kill two birds with one stone, by also removing the green traffic light, which, in my opinion, makes Barry drivers think it's all clear from all directions.

Interesting stats. I crossed the junction this morning. The were no cars parked for 20-30 metres up Barry Road and the improved sight lines made it much easier to get across.

That's a grey area. Some road design has been proven to be the cause of accidents. This article is has particular relevance: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/264395.stm There seems to be a reason why Barry drivers think it's fine to charge down this section of the road. Maybe it's the green traffic light giving a false sense of priority; maybe it's the white lines in the middle of the road, like the ones you get on fast A-roads. Maybe they're just impatient. Likewise, there seems to be a reason for Underhill drivers to pull out in front of Barry drivers. Maybe it's the tree and car-obscured sightlines; maybe it's the fact it's just a 'give way' and not a 'stop' junction. maybe they're just impatient.

Hawksmoor in Shoreditch is good too. Run by Kiwis, you order by the 100g from a blackboard on the wall. It's a race to beat the other diners to the best cuts. Pricy though.

Mail crime: http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080908004726AA1uJ0v

There must be room for pop-up arts spaces in the empty shops opposite Iceland.

Yes, Santa Maria del Sud is the best in London.

And the road design. Green traffic lights make people speed up, ambers even more. I also think the proliferation of unnecessary traffic lights across London, like the ones on Forest Hill Road, are breeding a generation of drivers who cannot cope with a simple crossroads.

Drivers pulling out have poor sight lines because of parked cars and vans. Drivers using Barry Road are looking at the green traffic light (you can't help it) rather than the junction before. It's no coincidence that the other dangerous junction on that road has the same set-up - junction followed by traffic lights. Does this set-up lull Barry Road drivers into thinking that the coast will always be clear?

I want to know what eater81 thinks about the piece.

The problem is that some people on this forum actually fall for it.

Get a motorcycle. 20-25 mins to W1. Get a cycle. 25-30 mins to W1.

Thanks for the tip-off. I shall rehearse my retort for when they hurl abuse at me when I politely decline their wares, like they did the last two times they visited. http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,421956,421956#msg-421956

A Goose Green-sized roundabout would do the trick. There is room. The centre could be paved with low gutters to allow larger vehicles to negotiate it.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This leaves Royal Mail in the unenviable position > of being both a public service and a business ? > and can?t succeed at both. > > A really good point, this. Sometimes we have > decide what we want in this regard - public > transport is a similar issue. > > Personally, I think that in the age of the email > the letter is slowly going the way of the > telegram, so the UDS's time may be up. Royal Mail > should be released of it's shackles and allowed to > compete properly. Good points - but in the age of internet shopping, parcel delivery is burgeoning

A mini roundabout, like the painted one on Underhill would work well too.

skidmarks Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I still say taking the centre line road marking > out will give the illusion of a narrower road and > slow drivers, as we did here. Even if it didn't > work it would only cost the day rate of a line > marking team of ?500. > > http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en > &geocode=&q=Forest+Row&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&ssp > n=18.231357,39.331055&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Forest+Row > ,+East+Sussex,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.09388,0.052244 > &spn=0,0.009602&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.09388,0.05224 > 4&panoid=dWFgNqVyBXxzE2sBhh8lJg&cbp=12,280.17,,0,7 > .92 That's a proven calming method, like red tarmac (but cheaper)

Here's my traffic calming solution, that doesn't involve speed humps or cameras, or much cash: Give Underhill and Upland Roads priority over Barry Road, making Barry Road motorists give way onto these quieter routes, splitting Barry into three shorter, slower sections.

Nicholas Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you would have noticed it was said the BMW > driver thretened the bus driver at the top of the > road,so consequently traffic calming would have > slowed him down because he was speeding to get > away from the incident which happened halfway down > Barry rd. This a serious thread about speed road > safety issues which need to addressed. I was being serious. In that car, you could get up to nearly 50mph between speed humps and I've seen plenty of drivers jumping their vans and cars over humps and cushions - especially company vehicles. If the driver has the red mist, they're a menace, whatever obstacles you put in the way. It's a serious issue that residents block sight lines to the right on Barry Road and LL. That needs to be addressed too.

The driver threatened a bus driver with a bottle? No traffic calming would've slowed this nutter. BTW, if you're the owner of a blue Seat Ibiza, parked in the cross hatchings on Barry Road, by the junction with Underhill, you're causing cars to edge out because they can't see what's coming.