DJKillaQueen

I'm a carnivore but I'm not tyranical. 'The tyranny of the meat easter' suggests all meat eaters are. I have a lot of time for the issues surrounding animal cruelty, and the environmental impact of some farming and fishing etc but don't think that is incompatible with being a carnivore. Instead I make ethical choices about what meat and fish I eat (I don't actually eat a lot of meat anyway but fish I do). The OP makes no distinction between animal cruelty and vegetarianism. In fact it was a post that used animal cruelty to promote vegetarianism and I think that's what the 'flippant' responses are a reaction to. Buy all means let's have a debate about the bad practises and their impact in food production, but let's not use that as an excuse to brand all meat eaters as somehow complicit in that process. The two things are seperate issues.

Well I've never cheated on anyone because I only have relationships with people I care about and like enough. I think in a perfect world cheating is wrong and disrespectful. There are situations where it's understandable why and how it happens but 99% of the time it is inexcusable and extremely painful for the person cheated on.

Don't be afraid to talk to the RSPCA....the first thing they will do it try to work with the owner to improve the care she gives them. They would only take the dogs as a last resort. The very skinny one may have some underlying (but treatable) condition, but it needs a visit to a vet to get help. If left, malnourishment puts a strain on the organs and can lead to rapid failure of any or all of them so it's important to get it looked at asap. It may well be that the owner has financial problems and isn't aware that she can get free treatment from both the RSPCA (in Camberwell and Norwood) and the PDSA (in New Cross).

To be fair, there are always going to be people with better debating skills, more facts, better research and so on in any group of people. And you open yourself up to that when posting in any forum.

I think the OPs focus on Squirrels rather than the 'global' point Viva make is the flaw of the thread tbh and the lounge tends to be the place of jolly banter with the drawing room for more serious discussion. Having said that, I don't agree with a view that eating meat/ fish/ dairy products are bad for human health. Humans have used animals for centuries and survived perfectly well and there is a theory that eating meat is what allowed for the evolution of mankind from ape, as protein from meat is thought to be the factor that enabled the brain to grow. There is no doubt that some of the methods used to rear and produce meat and fish and some dairy products are not only inhumane but damaging to the environment. For me that's a seperate issue that most (including non vegetarians) would have an ear for. As for the consumption of meat and diary, it's just not true to say that in itself damages human health. Over-consumption (especially in processed forms) is unhleathy yes, but not when eating as part of a balanced diet. The benefits of fish especially are well documented.

Hmm 'roasted Parakeet' - has a ring to it.

If the battery has gone flat after two weeks of no use (and there isn't something draining on it) then it's possible the battery is near the end of it's life (they usually last for around 4 years in an average car with average use) or isn't charging properly for some other reason (faulty alternator/ poor connection etc). If you can't find someone to jump start you....take the battery out and take it round to kwik-fit or another garage and get them to charge it for you and check the condition at the same time. The last thing you want to do is go on holiday with a battery that no longer holds charge or you'll have the same problem.

I can't see the point of saying no to squirrel without saying no to all other types of meat. Do we say no to rabbit too? And chicken? and...oh wait I guess we do if we are vegetarian, which is fine. But I'm no vegetarian and don't see why I would say no to anything as long as it is humanely reared and slaughtered.

Yep and what dubluke says...and keep us posted.

I'd appeal and hope that common sense prevails. Was the wheel over the white line? If so that's what they'll argue on. The warden would have taken pictures too (they all do now) so it would have been obvious too that you were offloading. Definitely a case of over zealous ticketting imo and slyly dones as well, as had you seen the warden you could have moved the van. I'd definitely appeal.

I am actually from a very poor working class backgorund Louisa whose father bore the brunt of Thatcherite cuts and you are once again WRONG in your assumptions (but excuse me for working hard at school and having half a brain that allowed me to escape what I might have been destined for career wise otherwise)....it would be nice if you go back and read that last post from me properly (as Dita points out) before you continue with your now so predictable and ill-informed speech. You claimed that we now have slums when housing is infinitely better than it was 40 years ago...thanks mainly to legislation. Not everyone can afford it any longer...that is true but few families are living in one room with outside toilets anymore, something someone of 60 plus from a poor background would remember. Peckham still is a working class neighbourhood! And much of it is still safe. The dangers (from crime) are the same dangers you'll find in any city. And indeed go back 100 years and London was far more dangerous than it is today. Investment in housing has improved the lives of many of those working class families that now occupy them (0ver ?50 million of it over the last 15 years). Those familes are no different than the families you grew up amongst. So yes I do think you are nostalgic for something you were culturally familiar with, but if you open your eyes you'll see the same thing, family and community spirit exists similarly today, for those who make the effort to be part of it. It's just it's a more multi-ethnic community than the one you grew up amongst perhaps. As for Rye Lane and food hygiene....what are you talking about? Fruit and veg has been sold on stalls for centuries. Meat and fish, as long as they are chilled and sourced from legal providers are fine (and indeed that is something that the council monitors regularly in Rye Lane - I know that for fact). I shop every day pretty much from Rye Lane and haven't been ill once in 20 years. Yes Rye Lane is more market than department store but so what?

please, someone, bring back a retro pub with real ales, darts and a juke box ..... That would be like christmas come early for me...........surely there's a market in ED for that, there just has to be.

I purposely went out and got drunk tonight so I could practise aimed projectile vomitting....but sadly didn't drink enough......................:-S

Let's also copy PeckhamRose's example here and state that we absloutely refuse any right to publish words we have posted. So jrussel I am informing you that my words on this forum belong to the forum and demand that nothing I have ever written be published. And I also ask admin to contact jrussel and remind him of the rules regarding content on the forum... (I personally still think it's a wind up)

Dita I see a pattern in the comparison of areas and suspect Louisa's real objection is to the 'type' of people now resident in the areas she is referring to rather than what's actually in a place.

Louisa you can't know Liverpool at all if think every route into it is lined with dereliction. The area I grew up in, north Liverpool has never been derelict and the further north you go the more middle class Liverpool is so your comments are utter nonsense. Also Liverpool like many northern cities in decline (usually from shipping) have lost anything up to half their population in the last 40 years (as people move to find work) which accounts for vacant areas. To use that as a slur on a city and it's people is stupid. I also understand why you live down here, if I were you i'd have made similar choices myself! You know NOTHING about me. I came to London because it had one of the few Universities offering the course I wanted....and because the industry I wanted to work in is BASED HERE...NO OTHER REASON............ Is that how you get on in life? Insulting people you know nothing about. I could say plenty about Londoners...how rude they are...and so on..but I don't...because I have manners and I know better than to tar an entire area with one brush. As for working class communities and slums.....take a look in the drawing room...you'll see I argue all the time for the rights of working class people. Housing is particular issue I fight for (my roots are working class). Again you make ignorant assumptions about me. Slums were far more prevalent in the past than they are now. Your nostalgia for some golden past is mythical. Peckham has had massive redevelopment of housing over the past 20 years - mainly the rebuilding of 60's housing, for the better. It is utter rubbish to say that the area has gone downhill in all respects - it clearly hasn't. And legislation has been in place since 1985 to ensure that homes are 'fit' for purpose. Legislation that incidently didn't exist before, esp not in your golden past, where landlords and the properties they rented were awful. But anyway...buildings don't make places...people do.....You may be London born and bred but London is a capital city and by nature is transient and has always been so. It has always been a hub of migration and centre of change. It seems you need a city that never changes - they do exist, but London isn't one of them.

You are absolutely right Karrie. There is a moral obligation and as other posters are doing a good job of pointing out, a potentially legal obligation too. I am still dubious as to whether jrussel is anything he says he is to be honest.

Just because something is in the public domain doesn't mean it can be reproduced at will.

Whilst jrussel thinks he doesn't have to take any notice of the rules of the forum (with regards to publication of content), by having such rules the forum claims copyright. Just have some respect for those you are using to make you story jrussel and ask them first. After all you are bound to be making assumptions about posters and the tone and meaning of what they post, which may turn out to be so far from the mark as to cause insult. It's common sense.

yeah, why does it always seem to have chopped carrot in it?

LOL ;-)

Yep and seems completely unable to express any kind of viewpoint without both insulting and tarring whole areas (and their people) with a single brush.

Liverpool is NOT derelict......that is a comment directly intended to wind me up.

Louisa you need some lessons in manners...THAT'S why people 'gang up' on you. You are rude and ignorant...and I hope someone nukes YOU. You thinks it's ok to name call people and the places they live in. I don't know where you are from, nor do I care, but I would never name call any place I'd never lived in and if anything your comment about scousers borders on racism. Tarring a whole place and it's people with single brush IS ignorant.

Or maybe had just read another of Louisa's posts on the EDF? *now promises to engage in no more troll bashing - honest*