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Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cella Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The idea of "removing" or "defeating" a grass > > roots organisation, apart from some ultra right > > wing, offensive ones, smacks of dictatorship > and > > intolerance surely. There are many good things > > that have come from Momentum and a new Leader > has > > to find a way of blending the different views > > within the party without allowing one side to > > dominate. Like I said previously, no mean feat. > > > Are you being serious? I hope not. Momentum, > fronted by a private school educated millionaire, > claiming to work for the common people, has in > effect taken over control of Labour. If they want > to fight a election on the same failed Corbyn > ticket the electorate just emphatically rejected, > perhaps they could setup their own political > party? But no, they won?t do that will they, > because they love being a loud protest movement. > They have no intention of wanting to gain power to > change this country. Labour with Momentum is not > electable, it?s a protest group, this has now been > proven. Labour under Blair and Brown is what we > need, or a new version of that, and that cannot be > done whilst Momentum hold the reigns of power. > > Momentum is NOT democracy, it is a dictatorship. > One which is now damaging this countries > opportunity for a progressive voice against a hard > right government. > > Louisa. Disagree.

No as that would be a dictatorship.

The idea of "removing" or "defeating" a grass roots organisation, apart from some ultra right wing, offensive ones, smacks of dictatorship and intolerance surely. There are many good things that have come from Momentum and a new Leader has to find a way of blending the different views within the party without allowing one side to dominate. Like I said previously, no mean feat.

It's one that Johnson and co use all the time!

Well you can't just remove a major grassroots organisation affiliated to the party. It needs a dynamic leader with vision to review what just happened and then try to move the party onwards - granted, an undeniably difficult task.

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Keir Starmer still the man to beat in this contest > says Peston. > > > https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-17/why-keir-starm > er-is-the-labour-leadership-candidate-to-beat-writ > es-robert-peston/ Given the range Starmer would be good and a match for awful Johnson. Momentum will never support him though. There are two factions in the party, similar situation with the Tories, and it's very hard to see anything they can unite on at the moment, in particular a new Leader who can bring the factions together.

We clearly did - but not together! Jason is not a traditionally trained singer or actor but has specific help for each role. He's multi talented.

dulwichbloke Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cella Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > He has huge personal support - just depends on > who > > you rely on for your information and which > press > > you choose. > > ...or (now) which General Election result you > choose look at! > > That's quite a good guide to whether someone has > "huge personal support" in the real world. Which bit is confusing you?

dulwichbloke Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cella Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Admin - think this thread with its title has > > served its purpose now? Now serving as a > vehicle > > for the usual suspects to endlessly rant and > spout > > rubbish retrospectively now the election is > over. > > As if you weren't spouting delusional rubbish > BEFORE your (car crash) election?! > > I appreciate you are probably a Momentum activist > who is busy trying to hide from the obvious fact > that 'real' people (as some on here have referred > to them as) last week massively rejected Corbyn > and the Labour party and their policies, but there > is a bit of irony in that comment isn't there? > > I'm getting a large sack of popcorn ready for the > next couple of months of internecine blood-letting > and finger pointing in the LP - could be good. I > see Lady Thornbury is today starting a legal > action against fellow Labour party member for > suggesting she might look down on the working > classes as being stupid. Lady T might find her > problem is that she has already been busted > posting a sneering picture online of White Van Man > in Essex. That might dent her 'as if I would ever > think like that' defence. > > It's an entertaining start to the in-fighting > though! You are wrong on most points. Can see you have a need for a life outside these posts. Glad you appreciate what you think I am though - there was I thinking the opposite!

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You seem slightly out of step with the majority > celia. Or are we all stupid? Not sure what's you base the first bit in and you may like to consider rephrasing the second bit?

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'Blair increased public sector personnel by three > million' > > You say that like it's a good thing. > > Anyway, it could be argued ad nauseam, I'm just > suggesting that it looks like the intent is there, > and that clearly not everybody sees demons when > they look at the Conservatives. You say that like it's a good thing. Anyone looking at Johnson & co needs to take a hard look at themselves.

This is a question, like so many, to direct at anyone who voted for Johnson.

Are you sure you and Loutwo aren't the same person?

Admin - think this thread with its title has served its purpose now? Now serving as a vehicle for the usual suspects to endlessly rant and spout rubbish retrospectively now the election is over.

Brothers in arms. Shouldn't you two be out kicking the poor or something.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hemingway Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > From Twitter > > > > On every level, Corbynism has been a foul > debacle. > > It has stunk out British politics. The dustbin > of > > history awaits. @#$%& off back to your paper > sales > > and meetings above pubs. Give politics back to > > decent people. > > > > Well said > > Yes- everything that came out of Corbyn's mouth > reminded me of the old WRP back in the 1970s, > selling the paper outside the Tube at Mile End and > Whitechapel; told to target the ethnic minorities, > listening to Vanessa Redgrave and other airhead > luvvies spouting quotes from Marx and Engels > whilst knowing NOTHING about their REAL lives..... You are stuck in a massive time warp and can't let it go. You presumably have the leader and government you want now - why not take a long rest from here and enjoy the fruits of your toil as you'll be so much better off. Apparently.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The path to Brexit was started by Blair and when > Gordon Brown referred to Gillian Duffy as a > 'bigoted woman' just because she asked about > immigration the contempt that Labour had for poor > white working class communities was made > plain...they sowed the wind and Corbyn reaped the > whirlwind Clearly not true - more nonsense from you.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The bribing is true- your friends may not have had > a vulnerable relative in hospital in Bucharest. > And unfortunately the only other Europeans I know > is a Pole who uses women in the UK for his > accommodation, and a Hungarian who along with > other members of his family are fully, illegally, > exploiting social housing in east London. > They would say that - to keep in with you! Again, just stop. Why you think you can get away on here with this racist rubbish by constantly repeating the same offensive points surely shows you up for what you are and what you appear to stand for. Most won't want anything to do with it or you.

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It?s Boris Johnson?s fault > > Everything is now, expect price gouging and > rampant discrepancies as standard. I assume you are being deliberately flippant but it will be when markets are allowed free rein, especially and most affectingly in the NHS. Hopefully you or those connected to you will care.

Not specially Christmassy or local but saw Jason Manford yesterday at the opening night of Curtains at Wyndhams Theatre. Not my usual choice but it was great. Considering he is not trained in singing and dancing he is brilliant and was similarly great in Guys & Dolls at the Albert Hall last year. Good family entertainment if that's what youre after.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > uncleglen Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > > > > and this one should try the hospitals in > > eastern > > > Europe where I know for a fact you have to > > bribe > > > staff to get anything > > > > Sounds like one of your ?facts? as in something > > you?ve made up to spread lies about other > > countries and their people > Here's a clue- ask ANY Romanian..... UG - just stop. Just because we now have given power to this dreadful PM/party does not give you licence to up your incessant racist ranting on here.

Hemingway Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From Twitter > > On every level, Corbynism has been a foul debacle. > It has stunk out British politics. The dustbin of > history awaits. @#$%& off back to your paper sales > and meetings above pubs. Give politics back to > decent people. > > Well said Do you count yourself as decent?

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's notthat bad people. It's more of the same.... You can only be this cavalier if you feel that nothing can shake your secure world. Don't worry about those less confident and fearful. Good luck with that and to all of us.

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Labour?s fence sitting on Brexit and abhorrent > treatment of Jewish opinions, saw me vote Green. I > changed my mind in the polling station btw. > > So after 10 years of Tory rule, the people of this > country could not trust the opposition. Says it > all, and there will be plenty like myself who made > the same judgment call. > > No doubt the urban champagne socialists will be > cupping their ears and blaming the result on > Brexit and not on a unpopular Marxist leader. > London?s bubble is just a out of touch echo > chamber. Not fit for purpose. > > Louisa. The fact that you've changed your mind/views several times and then made a snap decision whilst actually in the booth tells us much about the reliability and robustness of your decision making.

Hemingway Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Go and throw a Jew under a bus you hypocrite Admin want to come in here?