Sir Councillor ELECTED person - why did you not address my own suggestion on the previous page, made to Southwark which so many people on the street in cars and pedestrians like the idea of - and someone else on here as well as myself mentioned - of getting rid of all lights (ok, some by schools are important) and street furniture and endless signs. Car drivers WILL be slower if they are unsure and realise they are HAVING to concentrate to work out who is next to cross. Pedestrians also will take more care. The amount of people who cross a road because they are looking at a light which is flashing a green man, makes me laff. They are looking at a SIGN which tells them to cross; not at the car which cares not for the sign which is heading straight for them. I talk to strangers, I'm strange like that - and I would say there is more support for this idea than you realise. As a motorcyclist I am specially aware of the dangers - but having an experiment in a small area would most certainly be a good idea. You wrote below : -- Cllr Richard Thomas Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There are very few alternatives to humps available > to councils. That you're willing to consider, you mean. > For example, the police won't > enforce traffic offences in 20mph zones. I am glad to hear it. They have enough on their plate. > The best hope is average speed cameras which track a > vehice's speed over a distance between two points > and fines anyone who covers the ground too > quickly. Yay more cameras, more money! > They are being trialled in Camden I > think. I am pushing for Southwark too be allowed > to install them too. Any suggestions as to where? If they're good enough for Camden, it does not mean we have to follow like lemmings. BE BRAVE SOUTHWARK COUNCILLORS. Take an initiative. Have an original THOUGHT (ok, I thought of it, and other places in Europe have done it.) > I think Barry Road might be a good place to start. You do, do you? Well think again - the number 12 bendy busses act as an automatic barrier for most transport up there. That road is dangerous as any other. ROundabouts and taking signs and lines and so on away make more sense.