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similar thing down North Cross Road on Saturday - A-boards squarely on the pedestrian part of the pavement. Thinking it would be churlish to nudge them back onto the retailers' forecourts, I wound my way around them along with the prams, the dogs and the couples introducing their parents-in-law to the delights of ED.

thanks for 'overinvolving' yourself, stringvest, and not just walking away. these kids were egging each other on to be cruel idiots and not taking responsibility for their actions. you were quite justified in making the poor darlings face up to the consequences of their behaviour.

it was helpful of James Barber to confirm that one of the main reasons for the overcrowding, and the associated risks to people using the station, was a planning decision by Southwark Council. The sensible solution would have been for the new stairs and ramps to allow passengers to enter or exit the station directly onto Champion Park or Windsor Walk. On the Champion Park side at least, this wouldn't need a massive amount of engineering. There is absolutely no point to the new structures otherwise. James, can you please tell us why the council say it couldn't be done?

so pleased for both of you, stringvest

the notice on the garage states that the premises are guarded by this outfit: Portland Support Services http://www.portlandservices.co.uk/security/guard-dog-security.php , "Guard Dog Security Services Guard dog security is the highest security in private security. Sometimes on guard and dog can be more effective than two or more guards and always more cost effective. Our K9 dog security our experienced team have been supplying and residential security contracts in and around London for over ten years, we have the experience and the expertise to provide you with a security services that's success can be measured and backed up. " " All of our dog handlers are licensed by the SIA and follow a set of agreed protocols to ensure you guard dog requirements are met. Our dog units can be marked or unmarked. Our residential street patrol service security can patrol your estate, either in a vehcile or by foot patrol, our guards with dogs can wear a choice of uniform but as standard include security protection vests and body cameras, we are trained in resolving a number of issus include dealing with anti social behaviour or giving resident peace of mind through visible security, that can be on their door steps within minutes. Our experience helps us to avoid the allot of the problems that can easily occur in setting up a security program, meaning your deployment will be problem free. For more information on how we can help and what it cost call us on 0800 242 5113 " If they are regulated by the SIA, that could be another avenue to tackle this problem. Goodness knows what's on the premises that needs this level of security, not to mention dog exploitation

crikey! thanks for the update!

hi, Peckhamguy, are you serious? not joking I hope! I wonder what might have happened to the dog or dogs this just means that they'll disappear along with their dodgy security guys and who knows what happens to them?

thanks for your PM, theron, and peckhamguy - i will keep on following up with the rspca and the police i note this from the rspca website: The RSPCA believes that the basic welfare of all animals must take into account the 'Five Welfare Needs'. These needs are: - somewhere suitable to live - a proper diet, including fresh water - the ability to express normal behaviour - for any need to be housed with, or apart from, other animals - protection from, and treatment of, illness and injury. for this dog or dogs, it does look like at least some of these welfare needs aren't being met and so a suitable case for the rspca to follow up.

I finally actually saw this dog for the first time today it is a German Shepherd cross in a rather bad way - its ribs are clearly visible, its fur is in very poor condition and its tail has been docked in some clumsy fashion I got to see it so well because it came up to the gate to look at me and allowed me to stroke its muzzle I doubt that it ever leaves the garage premises and I wonder whether it is even micro-chipped it is clearly NOT a registered guard dog, even though there is a sign on the garage to that effect I will be calling the RSPCA for the nth time and also following up with the police Could any forum readers who frequent Bar Story please help to ensure that this poor wretched animal has a better life??? ETA I have called the RSPCA who have promised to visit to check and have also emailed local Met police

the stream used to be clear and clean at that place - dogs really enjoyed the water especially since access is easier than at the bridges it is one of the few places in the park where dogs don't have to compete with other park users, so a real pity that these contractors are using this as a dumping ground, possibly on account of it not being as visible as other parts of the park are the park keepers taking any notice?

so what about Quorn Road and Pytchley Road - they're the wrong side of the tracks for the Dulwich Soc thing were they so named because they run off Dog Kennel Hill or is there some other hunting connection, however tenuous?

UPDATE FROM POLICE: Hi good morning to you, sorry for the late update. I did visit the garage twice now during day time last was yesterday. The guy I spoke to said the dog who is there during evenings/nights is kept inside and imagine only let out occasionally for fresh air etc?.. I was truthful and said we?d have members of the public contact us regarding the treatment, welfare of their dog/dogs being kept there evening periods especially during the very cold spell of weather. He has said he?ll pass that on to the guy who?s in charge evening times and I said I?ll be popping up next time I?m on late shift to see for myself how the dog is being cared and not simply left outside for hrs & hrs. In the future please continue letting me know if anything changes, something that really concerns you and we?ll take action. TO WHICH I REPLIED AS FOLLOWS: really appreciate your attention to this ? I expect that this is just one of the calls on your time! People have contacted me to say that the dog is heard barking a lot in the evenings. I?ve been going by the garage myself to check on the situation ? there doesn?t seem to be any sound in the mornings, but I hear the dog in the evenings. I?ve got a dog myself and I know that he?ll only bark (and keep barking) if he?s unhappy in some way. I understand that there are legal requirements on the treatment of any dog that is being used as a guard dog, and I am concerned that these are not being met. The fact is that public concern was expressed long before the bad weather, and just ramped up as a result of the snow. I'll keep you updated in case of concern - thanks again for your help

dancet Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dog in the garage next to Bar Storey was > whining/barking Sunday morning at 11am, nobody was > around. thanks, dancet

rch Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Any news?? i emailed the police at the weekend but no response, so detoured past the garage this morning on my way to the station. no barking, closed gates, a man sitting in a car behind the gates, a sign on the gates warning about guard dogs - that was all i'll continue to keep an ear and eye out, and i'll keep checking with the police as well however - this is a busy and well-frequented area. anyone walking between the station/Rye Lane and Bellenden/Choumert Grove passes these premises. Bar Story's next door; trendy hangouts like Brick House, Peckham Refreshment Rooms are all well within earshot of this garage if anyone hears sounds suggesting a stressed or unhappy dog, can you let this forum know, please?

arguably the Plex is the more authentic movie experience who remembers the late lamented Coronet at the Elephant? oh the sticky floor coverings, oh the smell of weed drifting up from the smokers in the front seats, oh the roar of audience approval every time Michael Douglas offed someone in Falling Down, oh the spooky back stairs that led into the dodgy back passages behind the Elephant! when Jurassic Park first came out, I joined the end of a queue that looped three times around the Michael Faraday monument! PictureHouse! nah!

police haven't got back to me yet ETA I have chased them via email

i like the Plex at least i don't fall asleep in there, like i do every time i've been in the ED picturehouse - i could do that at home any time without paying over ?10 for the privilege. although one reason for staying awake in the Plex is sheer irritation at the people sitting in front of me, who all seem to check their phones at 30-second intervals, crunch their popcorn, rustle their paper bags, and keep their stupid hats on in the cinema

the police have promised to look into this, but i did some scouting of my own around 6 o'clock the garage in question is next door to Bar Story, which was pumping out its usual volume of music - so you could hear the dog barking as you approached, but not inside the bar itself the people in the garage seemed to be busy with some car stuff so i spoke to one of the bartenders he told me that the garage had security guards who sat out all night with their dogs - he said he felt sorry for them sitting there night after night in the cold so i'm not sure what to think any more. i'll wait to hear what the police have to say, but maybe this one is not for the RSPCA after all

ok - done, thanks Robin. i'll let you know what they say before I go storming in.

right - the RSPCA believes that this is ok, possibly because there are dogs in even worse conditions. we can call the council, but because none of us is personally inconvenienced, we haven't got a leg to stand on. so we are all skirting decorously around this issue, and passing it along to each other meanwhile the poor bloody dog is apparently living in conditions that you wouldn't wish on, well, even a dog, and in the worst week of the year. I will pop in myself and find out. if you'd like to join me, PM me today before 4.

thanks first mate. i'll call them again today. ETA I phoned RSPCA and they tell me that they can't do anything. they advised me to report this as a noise nuisance to the council who will be able to follow up on any animal welfare issues. is there anyone local to the station who can do that? theron, i'll pm you. by the way, JCM Autos phone number is 020 7639 0732 according ot their website.

i am not sure what right we have to take action as private citizens, which is why i called the RSPCA also not being the originator of this alert, i have no info beyond what you've supplied, theron i recognise the RSPCA have a lot of calls on their attention, but what the perfectly pleasant woman on the hotline said to me was that there was no law against keeping dogs outside, so this didn't count as an emergency - not having any further details i wasn't able to argue back effectively i'll check with the council tomorrow, and hope i get somewhere. does anyone have any advice?

i've called the RSPCA - they are refusing to deal with anything but emergencies and want me to call back in 24 hours time. i'm sure we could have helped deal with this earlier if we'd called it in earlier can you please keep us updated, theron?

hi, theron, is there anything that anyone else can do to help you help this dog? I tried to see which garage this might be this morning on my way to P Rye station, but not immediately obvious where it could be