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The council will not be using every inch of space for burial - there will, for example, be tarmac (or similar) roads for hearses.There are also a few graves from the 1940s in area Z which are still being visited and cared for, which the council will have to respect. Henryb's figures add up to 2340 and do not take into account another 775 burial plots proposed for the remainder of the woodland - the area behind the gardens in Forest Hill Rd, so 3115 new lawn graves in total in the woodland, as part of the council's plans to cater for burials for the next 15 years. These figures are in the cabinet decision of 19.06.2012 page 9 para 44 which is on the council's website:- 480 new lawn grave burial plots in the meadow behind Ryedale (H1), 1000 in area Z (the area currently fenced-off) and 1060 burial plots in sites J,K and L (the woodland paths area) plus 775 in H2 and H3 (the rest of the woodland - behind the gardens in Forest Hill Road).There are a further 430 elsewhere (G1)in the Old Cemetery, making a total of 3745 new lawn graves. The only change since then is that, because of practical difficulties, the figure for area Z (the next area to be used) has been revised down from 1000 to 800, so now 3545 in total. As Henryb has said, this will have a huge impact on the character and appearance of the cemetery.

@Woodwarde - No, it is simply a notice of road closures and alternative routes - in this case, Townley Rd, Lordship Lane and East Dulwich Grove in one direction and East Dulwich Grove, Dulwich Village and Calton Avenue in the other direction.

According to the notices in Southwark News,that end of Townley Rd is due to be closed from 4th July to 1st September. Also the bottom of Northcross Rd 6th - 24th July.

dbboy wrote that he "....can think of no where nicer than to to be buried in Camberwell Old Cemetery...." I am not speaking for 'Save Southwark Woods' As it stands, Camberwell Old Cemetery is very attractive. It has a mixture of areas - historically interesting Victorian graves, open grassy areas, meadowland and woodland paths. The most unattractive part is the new burial area of lawn graves.This has been designed with the priority of ease of maintenance. Hence, it consists of back to back headstones on gravel strips, with no space for memorabilia and no planting allowed. As the council plans to cut down woodland to create more lawn graves, I am alarmed. I believe it should be possible to meet the council's requirement for an average 200 new burials a year, without further damaging the character of the cemetery. I would like to see the woodland retained - there have been no burials in it since a few in the 1940s and the council have not maintained this area as a cemetery since that time. I would like to see burials continued in a more attractive and considerate environment than the current stark lawn grave style.And, yes, there are definitely over 300,000 people already buried in Camberwell Old Cemetery - new burials are on top of people already buried.

edhistory Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > edborders Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The Forest Hill Society says that 300,000 > people > > are interred in COC. > > Where is the evidence to support this assertion? > > John K Camberwell New Cemetery opened in 1927 because Camberwell Old Cemetery was full. On Southwark Council's website, it says this about Camberwell Old Cemetery:- In the 1850s, The Camberwell Burial Board was established to solve the problem of Camberwell's burial shortage in its churchyards. In 1855 the board bought 30 acres of meadow land and established it as the Burial Ground of St Giles, Camberwell. The cemetery has fine examples of gothic revival architecture. The lodge and chapels were designed by George Gilbert Scott's architecture firm who also designed St Pancras station and the Albert Memorial. By 1984, 300,000 burials had been carried out at the cemetery. Camberwell New Cemetery was founded in 1901 in order to provide more space. The majority of burials now take place in this cemetery.

Ingrid - I'd like to request a mural by Vibes (who painted the kingfisher on Frogley Rd.) I like the mural and admire the artist's skill.

That's good news, but I can't see how a wheelchair user would be able to get up to the platform at East Dulwich station - it's such a steep incline. Would assistance be available for getting to the platform from street level?

Sue, my understanding is that the problem is with the bus filter light for the buses coming down Dog Kennel Hill. My understanding is that stopping the traffic coming down Dog Kennel Hill to allow the buses to go first is causing tailbacks, particularly when there aren't any buses or the buses are in with the rest of the traffic, so not using that lane anyway.

No,the cars and bus which had run into each other were in Barry Rd, by Etherow Street, and there was,as you saw, a long tailback behind them at 8pm. The police car was stopping traffic from turning into Barry Rd from The Plough, so there was no traffic coming down Barry Rd., so no buses going towards Peckham. That's what you would have seen, but it's hopefully cleared by now.

No 197 or 12 buses nor any other vehicles going down from the Plough at the moment due to a 4 vehicle shunt by Etherow St.- so, one way traffic only at the top of Barry Rd.

I'm only guessing, but the only way I can make sense of the diversion details given by James Barber, is that the buses heading for Streatham go right into Upland Rd and turn left into Lordship Lane at the top of the road, while the buses in the other direction turn down Dunstans to Peckham Rye and then turn up Barry Rd and then right into Underhill to continue along their normal route.

Thames Water advise buying a valve or universal stopcock key from a DIY chain store or plumber's merchants.

Thames Water advise buying a valve or universal stopcock key from a DIY chain or plumber's merchants.

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Sue. - the bird may have seen a reflection of your garden in your window. I picked up a dead young blackbird which had killed itself flying into the glass at Peckham library. When I stood outside and looked at the window from the bird's perspective, I saw the reflection of a tree. Similarly,at home,we experienced a blue tit attacking a reflection of itself in a window. I think it's only in a certain light that the window acts as a mirror - probably when it's in full sun. Might a venetian blind reduce the mirror effect?

James, will the council still be issuing and collecting the brown paper garden waste sacks after 1st April?

John K - If you wish to know the species of bats which were identified on the bat walk in Camberwell Old Cemetery, they were common pipistrelle, soprano pipistrelle and, at 25kHz, either a noctule or leisler bat.

John K - If you wish to know the species of bats which were identified on the bat walk in Camberwell Old Cemetery, they were common pipistrelle, soprano pipistrelle and, at 25kHz, either a noctule or leisler bat. Does that answer your question?

Geneie - Maybe you are not familiar with Southwark?s plans for re-using the cemeteries. Both cemeteries are full, so the council are now reusing them - the burials now and in future will be on top of former graves. Now that the cemeteries are full, many local people feel that the dead already buried should be respected. The Save Southwark Woods campaign is saying that the council has not consulted residents on reusing the cemeteries for new burials in this way and that they should do so, before carrying on clearing areas for rows of soulless new headstones. The council are currently reusing public graves, but have a 40 year plan, so will be moving on to private graves. People who have family buried there "from way back" may need to check that they still have current leases for their family members' graves - the ownership reverts to the council once the lease has expired.

John K - you have already asked this question on another thread and I responded, but I'll reply again. There are bats in Camberwell Old Cemetery. On a bat walk last year we saw bats. I The bat detector identified three different species.

Bats. On a bat walk last year in Camberwell Old Cemetery, we clearly saw bats. The bat detector device identified three different species.

No, I was just trying to be helpful, in pointing out that Peckham Rye Ward councillors are responsible for the area where the accident happened - in i.e. Hillcourt Rd, Donkey Alley and the part of Goodrich Rd that is between Hillcourt Rd and Dunstans Rd.

Libbya. Your road is not in James Barber's ward - It would be better to contact one of the councillors who deals with your road, which is in Peckham Rye ward.

Just to correct one point Siduhe made, burials have been made throughout Camberwell Old Cemetery - it was totally full, which is why Camberwell New Cemetery was opened in the 1920s. What the council are doing in Camberwell Old Cemetery is raising the soil level and burying more people on top of those already buried there. So what they did in phase 1, at the Langton Rise end of the cemetery, is exactly what they are proposing to do now. They will be clearing the phase 2 area of self-sown trees, wild flowers and memorials and disposing of them, in order to heap more soil on top and create enough burial space for another 4 years. Siduhe is correct in saying that the council do have land alongside Camberwell New Cemetery which was originally purchased in order to extend the burial area when needed, but which they allowed to be used as a recreation ground until that time. I was not aware of legal difficulties - I would be very interested to know what these were Siduhe. My understanding was, not that there were legal grounds, but that.Southwark Council succumbed to pressure from Lewisham Council to leave the recreation ground for their residents. Southwark decided instead to re-use Camberwell Old Cemetery, but this decision has not been open to consultation. Camberwell Old Cemetery was widely believed to be a nature reserve - it's a grade one site of borough importance for nature conservation.

I quite agree with Blahblah. In my own experience,it is only supporters of fox-hunting who like to feel superior by insisting it's class jealousy. It's insulting to those who care about cruelty and it's meant to be. It also enables the hunt supporters to avoid having to engage with the issue of cruelty.