sillywoman

OP, the current evidence says that there is no link between autism and MMR vaccination. None. Even Dr Andrew Wakefield - the guy who first proposed a link, and has since had both his methodology, his ethics and his conclusions widely discredited, and has himself been struck off - has stated that there is no link. In your life as a parent every thing you do, and will do carries risks for you and for your children. Weigh up the risks of them contracting measles, mumps or rubella, and the risk of that illness causing them, or those close to them (in the case of german measles) long term damage or death, against the risks of them suffering an adverse response to the vaccine. Then draw your own conclusions. I dunno if this will link properly, but Upworthy have an infographic explanation of the current debate (though, to give fair warning, it does have a bias toward vaccination). The run-down of the issues is a good starting place IMO. http://www.upworthy.com/dad-took-blood-samples-at-his-kids-birthday-party-and-thats-not-the-worst-part-ah2-7b?c=ufb1

prunellabutterworth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > BellendenBelle - your negative spiteful comments > were not! keep out of the forum if you have > nothing but cruel, spiteful and negative comments > about other users. Your not appreciated or wanted > on here. Actually you are very wrong there. Bellendenbelle is a long time poster on this forum and in these discussions. On the whole his/her posts are articulate, rational, helpful and well informed. I see nothing spiteful or cruel in what she has posted. I wondered myself whether the post she referred to was someone 'trolling' as it was an odd post for a forum newbie - but hey, there are some odd folks out there clearly. Bellendenbelle is a valuable and well respected forumite whose posts are both wanted and appreciated, as I'm sure yours are too, by someone. Though as a newcomer yourself you might do well to reign it in a bit. Minder wrote: "OK Sillywoman, maybe the word 'insist' might be the wrong word but no need to make a big deal of it!" Sorry, didn't mean to sound so vehement in my post. Just worried that someone who normally posts such sensible advice might be thinking that a doctor could insist on you doing anything to your child. Apologies Minder.

minder Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi EastDulwichRose, I'm quite shocked that your GP > has not insisted instead of just asking about the > MMR, although usually it's health visitors that > send out dates the vaccines are due with parents > overseeing the red book recommendations. Minder, the GP has no authority to 'insist'. Our children are our own to raise as we think best, it's our right to do that as long as we are not harming them (contentious with regard to subject under discussion I know). I'm frankly shocked that you would imagine anyone could 'insist' a parent do something to their child. You do know that you can chose what you thick is best for your children? You don't have to do anything that the Doctor (or anyone) suggest to you? Health professionals can only 'offer' health interventions but it's up to us whether we chose to take them or not. We don't live in a dictatorship (thankfully).

Another 'YES' here - though I did wait until mine were a wee bit older (2& a half to 3), mainly due to permanent snuffly noses, but also I wanted to be sure their bodies and immune systems were strong and healthy.

Hmm, sometimes wry humour can come across as flippant within the 1 dimensional constraints of e-communication. I read Curmudgeons comments as the former rather than the latter, but there, I am inclined to Curmudgeons viewpoint. Childhood education encompasses so much more than continuous school attendance. I'm of the 'jump through whatever hoops you want/need, but do it anyway' school of thought. A carefully considered week with loved ones in a new and exciting place can be so much more valuable than a week in the sausage factory that is our education system. Think of all the opportunities for learning - wonderful! Sorry neighbours ;D

Ayelsham are a new team - a sort of hole patcher for the enormous gap left by the late-lamented Albany Midwives -that's why you weren't referred in your previous pregnancies, and possibly why whoever you spoke to hadn't heard of them?

I don't recall 'primary school attendance record' being any of the selection criteria for the secondary schools I applied for!!! :D

Watching with interest as I agree with the dissenters to the proposal to knock them down. ED doesn't have that much in the way of heritage, personally I'd like to keep what little it does have. I've often thought how it might work better from an 'initial impression' viewpoint it the Southbound platform discharged it's passengers behind the old garden centre, so their first image of ED was the pretty and quaint station cottages - pipe dream I know, but I would be extremely sad to see them crushed in the name of progress (mammon).

Someone suggested this one to me 'Sailor; http://www.amazon.co.uk/Living-Mum-Dad-Two-Homes/dp/1406334286?tag=mumsnet and I can hold of a copy for you if you'd like it?

Biff! Of course - why didn't I think of that?! Thanks Sanity girl x

There's this too lovely sailor; http://www.amazon.co.uk/Two-Of-Everything-Babette-Cole/dp/0099220628, for the children - though again it may be just that little too old? Or you could make your own relevant to the children's new circumstances. Use WORD document and add photos and suitable words. or use a story builder app on ipad - something like this maybe? http://www.friendshipcircle.org/apps/browse/stories-about-me/ Or create a personalized photo book on snappish e.g. photos of your/their home & Daddy's new home (if they go for visits)? I know you really wanted recommendations for books for you; to help you to guide them through this difficult time of change, but I don't know any yet. I'm asking round though, and will post more info as & when I get it. Thinking of you. SW x

It's been a while - the last time I took a bag of shoes to donate was when Soup Dragon (anyone remember them?) was open & they had a shoe bin outside their shop. Now they've gone I find I'm at a loss - so where in ED can I donate three perfectly sound pairs of outgrown children's shoes? Any tips?

But get a leg cover and handlebar mitts - otherwise it's hell in the winter.

Just re-insured mine: it's a 50cc Vespa, Im ummm, 'not young' shall we say? it was about ?130 fully comp. I do 3000 miles p.a - just around town & commuting and spend around ?5-8 per week on petrol. Because I got my driving licence a million years ago (in the 1980's) I didn't need to take a test, but my understanding is that under 125cc you can drive on a provisional indefinitely (could be wrong though?) I love, L.O.V.E, love my scooter. It's the best thing ever. I say go for it - you won't regret it :)

I've just watched the entire series of 'The Tunnel' - it was great I really enjoyed it. I'm off now to look up Spiral on the iplayer (is it beeb?)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Your-Fault-Koko-Bear-Read-Together/dp/0916773477/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1421867373&sr=8-2&keywords=daddy+doesn%27t+live+with+us ? SWxxx

Hollie in ED - don't even hesitate :D. Do a search on here as there is a thread on local Hypnobirthing recommendations already running. All the contact details are on there. Hollie is on this forum under the name londonhypnobirthing (I think).

Sex (Good. For you :D ); exercise e.g.brisk walking/swimming; sex; hot curry (HOT!); exaggerated hoovering (boo); nipple stimulation (and sex?); a sweep; cake baking; acupuncture; reflexology and aromatherapy massage. Sounds like a fun day no? :D Remember: your body, your choice. In the Uk no-one can make you do something you don't want to do, but you'll want to discuss with your midwife/obs so you can weigh up the specific risk factor for you, in your situation for delaying induction. Be wary of generalisations - the nhs 'offers' induction at different times for different 'risk' categories of women (N.B. It's not always phrased as an offer - often it's presented as a fait accompli e.g. "we will do X on Wednesday"), but the data used to make that decision is based on generalists, you will need to look at that generalised data and decide how relevant it is to your specific situation before you make decisions about what interventions you allow to your pregnancy.

Umm, I've opened it a couple of times with no problem? It's a genuine ad for a job that someone might find very helpful.

Kes Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SillyWoman - As far as I have been able to figure > out, there is some old wives tale that the size of > your hands predicts the size of your pelvis, so > the NCT teacher judged that my (9lb 10oz back to > back) baby couldn't really have been stuck as my > hands aren't small! > > Ouch. 9lb 10oz back to back - that is a TOUGH labour-especially for a first. > Anyway, as I say that was all 5 years ago and I > think I now accept that I just got unlucky in not > having the birth I wanted and I'm incredibly > thankful that I live in a time and place where > modern medicine had my back when I needed it. Also > going on to choose an elective for my second, > being so well looked after by Kings and being able > to feel calm, prepared and in control for that > birth was a very healing experience. I often wish that this forum had a 'like' button: This is one of those times. SWx

Kes, what was the deal with your hands - did you ever find out? And more importantly did you complain, there is no way on this earth she could have told anything about your birth experience and what was or wasn't needed by looking at your hands. Incidentally my heart is breaking that you felt your had to 'confess' to your EMCS. You should be proud of yourself however your baby got here. Mums will always do whatever they can, to get their babies here however they can. Unfortunately nature and circumstance can be a cow, and some Mums aren't lucky enough to get to take their baby home. We should all be that bit kinder to each other, and however our babies arrive, no 'confessions' should be needed. Regarding ELCS: The only person who can know if that's the right thing for any particular Mum and baby, is the Mum herself. ELCS is not risk free for either party, but any kind of birth carries risks with it; vagina or out the 'sun-roof'. My opinion is, as long as the woman has weighed the risks to herself and baby in the balance when making her decision then, it's no-one's business but hers how she choses to birth her baby. And Kings is great :D

It's policy everywhere, but occasionally if a ward is quiet then a kindly midwife might let you hang around until the contraptions are close enough for your to be considered to be in labour. Quiet wards are more likely to happen outside of London. Here they are something of a rareity!

I haven't read the full thread, so apologies if I'm going over old ground. I think this is such a complex issue and is challenging on many fronts regarding social morality. My other half and I have hugely differing opinions on the situation that Ched Evans is in, & have a had a few 'heated' discussions about it. My opinion is, that I can't comment on the rape charge. I wasn't there, I didn't see it, but the facts were laid bare for a jury who found him guilty. Now I don't have absolute respect for the legal system in this country (or any other). I'm old enough to realise that a lot of the time the law is an ass, and money talks, but for lack of anything better to go on I have to believe that those who saw the facts found him guilty, ergo - he is guilty. As a convicted sex-offender I don't think that he should be able to go back to the job he did previously. In line with other professions whose practitioners are held up as role models for youth. The issue it raises for me is why doesn't the Football Association have a code of conduct for it's players? Surely it's something of a basic requirement. If a Doctor, nurse, teacher etc.etc. commits a crime it is considered to impact on their profession by reputation. If convicted of the crime they are considered to have brought their profession into disrepute and there is a strong likelihood that they will be struck off and unable to practice theta profession again. Football needs to wake up and realise that if we are going to pay these young men - our 'golden boys' - the ridiculously inflated salaries they command for their skill, then they will be expected to maintain certain standards of behaviour in order to continue to reap those rewards. Being a skilled player alone is not enough. I now wouldn't ever buy my football-mad son a shirt with 'Evans' on the back.

A LIST of questions sent :D It's like having aliens in the house, honestly ...

or Holly who is a local Mum and runs her extremely popular classes here in East Dulwich. She can be found on this forum by searching londonhypnobirthing, and is a delight. I would highly recommend her. She has helped many, many local women have better, more relaxed labours and births (the plus side is that if you do a group session with her you will get to meet other local Mums in her classes). Additionally I was reading research recently that suggests Hypnobirthing can reduce the risks of suffering postnatal depression in Mums who are at risk (previous incidence, family or personal history of depression etc.etc.). The more I read about it the more useful a tool for birthing women Hypnobirthing seems. :D