Dulwich Born And Bred

Well, The moxibustion, and all the exercises did not work at all!! I went in today to book my C section but the consultant said to me that my baby is transverse and that he moves easily and he really wants me to have the ECV because he thinks it will work on me and he does not want me having a C section so I have to go back in an hour and half and see if the ECV works, fingers crossed it does, I shall update later! x

Claribel, no need to be sorry, it is lovely to share my experience with someone else, and lovely to hear so many views. Thank you EVERYONE for taking the time out to read my posts and reply. I am so sorry to hear the ECV did not work, how was it? I am very nervous about it. Still not made my mind up, my OH has told me to we will go along and just do what we feel is right on the day. When is your C section booked for? when you hit 40 weeks or beyond? I really hope that your baby will move for you, I am hoping the same too. The moxibustion I must say does work in that my baby does move lots and lots, but he is just not moving in the right direction but I will keep it going until Tuesday and will update with the outcome. Good luck Claribel, not long until our little troublemakers are here!!

My mother just informed me that you ladies who did not go to the park today missed Colin Farrell and Ray Winstone filming today! She said lots of women were swooning!!

My placenta was low yes and they said it has moved, the only reason I went back for another scan after the good news about my placenta was because my little man lost weight around his stomach and now it is his breech position and drop in FL measurement. Lots of people are encouraging me to try the ECV but the fact that it is posing a big problem for me might be my instincts telling me not to do because of the fact that he is going in any position BUT down now.

No worries about hijacking the thread, a bit of healthy debate is good for the mind! Would be a shame if anybody decided to leave because of differences in views, we all see things differently and we all hold different ideas and views. We just go along with what we feel and know is best and that is all that matters. Everything has been very informative and has given me a lot of food for thoughts. So many different viewpoints. I have to say I do find it kind of disheartening when people who have not had C sections ( friends etc) telling me that it is not that bad and it will be fine, I do sit there teeth gritted and think " What do you know? you had a natural birth!" but everyone is just trying to reassure me. Still in two minds about the ECV purely because my man IS moving lots but for some reason he just is not heading to the exit sign and I am worried that maybe he can't because of the cord etc because he was ALWAYS head down before and I am just worried that doing the ECV could just make more problems. If he is moving then obviously he has some room, he does breech or transverse now but he won't go down....

I don't know really Fuschia. I don't like the idea of stressing my son out via a ECV, in fact I am starting to get second thoughts and thinking maybe I should just have the C section if the moxibustion is not successful. Everything has a risk, I just don't want to cause my unborn son distress, because nothing is guaranteed, it is hard to know what choice is the right one. I am told that I am allowed to ask for the screen to be lowered during the C section and for baby to be placed onto me for skin to skin contact, assuming he is well.

Thanks Mellors! x Had my meeting with the consultant. I have to attend the labour ward next week to try a ECV. My OH has booked moxibustion for me tomorrow, I am hoping that will work. All the risks have been explained to me at the hospital regarding ECV, C section and Breech Delivery. If the ECV does not work, I agreed to a C section. As it is my first baby, I really don't want to risk a delivery because I have no idea what to expect or how I am going to deal with it, and the last thing I want is to stress myself out and end up having an emergency C section but fingers crossed the moxibustion or ECV will be successful, I suppose it was only natural my son was going to be stubborn judging by myself and his father!

I have my consultant appointment today at 10am...*exhale* I shall update later today. Fingers crossed all the techniques from spinning babies paid off!

That could well be true Vicki as I think the board said Lordship Lane and another surgery baby clinic on Tuesday? I have no idea but I do know there is a baby clinic on Tuesday but never been on Wednesday. Shame I will miss you there Mellors as my appointment is at 2pm!

Its Tuesday, I know because I am surrounded by babies everytime I go for my midwife check on Tuesdays and it does say baby clinic on the board, I can always get the number for you and let you know as I am there tomorrow for my midwife check?!

My OH treated me to a night at the Langshott Manor, we had the Henry VII, it was lush, and a private balcony overlooking the moat. The food was great too. I recommend it! http://www.alexanderhotels.co.uk/langshott/ Phone up or go on laterooms, because my OH haggled and got it cheaper for what is says on the website!

Thank you everyone, you have been all great with the advice and support. Lots of food for thought. I have been discussing it all with my OH, and at the moment I am trying everything as suggested on spinning babies and on here ( bag of cold vegs, light, music, breech tilt, inversion and pillows under my hips etc)but he refused to budge. What is quite confusing is that should I be feeling his hiccups down low if his head is up? I am hoping the sonographers ( both of them!) made a mistake as the hiccups are low down, and if his head is up, it does not make sense because when he was head down, I always felt his hiccups low down. I decided to sleep on my back last night, and that got him moving, for the first time in ages he was trying his best to move, after a good few hours on my back, he was laying transverse, I didn't know what lump was what so could not give him a helping hand but I tried the light and music to try and guide him the right way. This morning, I have a lump on the top of my belly , but naturally I have no idea if it is his bum or head, but I am hoping he has not moved back into breech position again after all of that pain and discomfort yesterday trying to free his feet and bum! I see the Consultant on Tuesday, if he is still breech I will go for the moxibustion first ( so Lorraine I will take up your offer if he is breech and I have my consultation at Dulwich Health Centre) and then the ECV. I will probably decide against the natural breech birth, after watching lots of videos on Breech delivery, and reading up about it, it really did scare the hell out of me and I would prefer to have C section ( even though I absolutely do not want it) in order to avoid distress to my son. BUT hopefully everything I did last night did the trick and hopefully that lump on top of my bump is his bum!!! I shall update on Tuesday! Once again, Thank you!!!! P.S Linkzg Thanks for all your information, that is a big baby!! Ouch!! My baby is just over 5lbs at 37 weeks, they don't think he will be big at all, but then they cannot be completely accurate! Glad it all ended well for you and babe x

When I went to book my appointment, they looked in my file and booked with my named Consultant that was allocated to me during my booking in appointment at 12 weeks, the receptionist said that is the consultant they go with. I see my consultant on Tuesday so depending on what he/she says, I have no idea what to expect, I will however note the name down and enquire about talking to this consultant and the head midwife to explore all my options.

I am seriously considering giving birth naturally indeed, I was hoping to be overwhelmed on here with positive natural breech birth stories. Sometimes reading information on the internet is not good with all the stories about damaging their pelvis, the head not being able to mould, the cord getting stuck and the placenta coming away. All quite scary. I am thinking of trying the ECV also but my mother is insistent that all of these things do nothing but cause distress and pain to mother and baby and that the baby will choose the position that THEY want.

Well, it seems I just cannot keep away from Kings!:) I went for a repeated scan due to growth in the stomach area, nothing was mentioned about the growth ( though my notes now say drop in growth of FL measurement) not much was said at all during my scan by two sonographers. Just that they would like me to go to suite 8 ( The Antenatal Centre) and make an appointment ASAP with the consultant as after all this time of my baby being a good boy and being head down, he has decided to turn breech and has been like that all week. I thought it was strange because last week I was in terrible pains with my stomach which I have never been before, and it was because of his position. I am quite upset that after all the problems and the low laying placenta that has moved that he has decided to turn breech, I now have to discuss my options regarding the breech pregnancy. Can anyone offer advice? is it possible for a baby from 37 weeks onwards still to turn due to lack of space? I have read spinning babies online and have been doing the knees to chest position and inversion etc but no luck. It does feel like he is trying to move his head but its his leg/feet that seems to be stuck down below because I am met with horrible pain when he attempts to move it but cannot seems to for some reason. I really do not want to have a C section, I know they are not as bad as people make out but I don't want one because I suffer from a skin condition anyway which means scar tissue will take longer to heal on me and will turn into the Koebner phenomenon. I have been reading up on natural breech delivery also, and it does not look overly positive. I see the Consultant on Tuesday, A. Davies at Kings and would like to be prepared in what to expect and what to ask. My OH is being positive and saying the baby will turn at the last minute. Thanking you in advance for any advice.

MadWorld74 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wonder why it was flying about ED? Ahh just seen this after a recent thread! That was my OH! He was impressing my family with his newest toy....chinese lanterns! Pretty cool aren't they?!

Sorry Buggie, I do apologise, seems like a day of confusion for me!:-$ Nunheadmum, my next scan is before my midwife appointment, I am sure in two weeks time I will know one way or another about his growth but indeed I shall ask my midwife when I see her to clear up matters for me.

Buggie, I have never been difficult to any of the staff there, I turn up for all my appointments despite being made to wait for hours on end, having blood taken in an ADMIN room, having the curtains opened so others could see me etc, I never was difficult despite this, I put in a letter of complaint but like most things in this country, they apologise but don't do anything about it. I am quite a friendly pleasant talkative person. One thing people would not say about me is that I am difficult because I am not, but if something is wrong, I most certainly will contact the top man and complain but I am never rude or difficult in other ways. I am aware they are doing what they think is right but at the same time, they really do like to worry parents as you can see by the postings on here, and they could explain things better, rather than just say what they say and leave us to fill in the rest. I came on here to ask if anyone knows what the centile etc means in terms that I can understand because though the sonographer explained in the way she understood, I don't understand it. So for me, though I don't rate Kings at all, I just want to know if the abdominal reduction is a serious issue and if there is anything etc I can do about it. Even the father is worried and keeps asking me what it means, but I don't know. Molly, you are right, we always worry from day one, from pregnancy until they are adults, it is innate. I think with things like scans and pregnancy we just worry more because we cannot see the baby and have to take various medical professionals words for it whereas when you have babe in your arms, it is a bit easier because you can see for yourself and take charge of the situation. I think with the mixture of the heatwave, nearing the end of pregnancy,lack of sleep, usual aches and pains and having to keep going to Kings and waiting waiting waiting, I am just getting fed up now, but I was warned towards the end it gets harder. Antijen, I know many people who have had home births and said it is the best ever, I would have but it being my first baby, I didn't want to chance it. Fuschia, I guess I should not moan since you had to endure fornightly scans throughout your pregnancy, they were good weights! I think I will go to St Thomas next time ( if I ever have anymore!), only because I hate waiting and at least waiting times are quicker at St Thomas. ( Exhale) not long now! I am just going to waddle off and stuff my face with ice lollies!

Thank you, I am not going to stress anymore, my reasoning is, he is 34 weeks almost, he is over 4lbs, he is fully developed, and it is not long until he is due ( full term is 37 -40 weeks) so when I go back for my scan I will be around 36+ weeks so if there are problems or not, he should still be healthy and strong enough and that does me. I cannot wait until I see the back of Kings....

I would rather they stop worrying me! Everyone says it is ok, and not to worry but just a bit hard when one keeps getting called back. Probably the fact I really dislike Kings has a big part to play also,but yes, better to be safe than sorry. It would help if they could be more informative because she tells me he is reducing in size around his abs, and then she says I might just carry small and then sends me off on my merry way, so it sounds like something and nothing. Hence my popping up here and asking if anyone had the same thing? Though the weight is average the reduction isn't. She even pointed to a chart on her computer plotting his growth and was saying he is between the average line but that it is not consistent and was showing me that if the line drops it is not good news. Quite dramatic really, I left the hospital really worried and confused and having it in black and white on my medical notes doesn't help either, these 7 weeks are going to drag!! ( mental note, must stop being dramatic!)

Thanks, just annoying too and the way she went on about him reducing in size instead of increasing just worried me. All my friends are having two scans at Kings and going about their business and i am the only one having to go back there time and time again. And people say Kings is the best? hmph! I prefer a smaller baby of course, but I don't want him reducing in size if he is meant to be bigger! Ahh, no point worrying though of course I do!

Good news is my placenta has moved, so no reason why I cannot have a natural birth. Baby is head down too ( well done baby!) the midwife is wrong, I am not measuring two weeks ahead ( I am obviously just storing all the fat hence measuring bigger bump wise). They have always been worried about the growth of baby since I had my 1st scan, putting my dates later and later. Usually we are meant to have just two scans at Kings, I have had four and I have to go for a fifth one. The sonographer said the baby is measuring 4lbs 9ozs at 33weeks which is meant to be average but she said his growth is not consistent and that there is a reduction in the growth of his AC ( abdominal Circumference) from the 95th Centile to the 50th Centile, whatever that means! She said because I am naturally petite and it is my first baby, it could just mean that I carry small babies and a small baby could be natural and normal for me but as they do not know they want to keep a check on it and they also want to make sure his weight does not drop because he is rather small and they must keep an eye on him. Her main concern is the reduction from his abdominal, does anyone know what this is meant to be? Obviously I am trying not to worry but I had thought today was be my last time ever being scanned and all I went for was news on my placenta , now there is concern over his reduction. I thought the worrying would stop after 12 weeks of pregnancy but it seems like it is never ending!

We are not even allowed to take photos of our kids at soft play either, absolutely really stupid!

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > HeidiHi Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > 9pm should be the > > cut off line, > > It isn't even dark at 9pm. > > A disadvantage when it comes to watching > fireworks. Ahhh so it is not! Just noticed it is still light out! Oh well, no fireworks then?! Just kidding, I don't mind them usually, just not on the evenings when I have kids in bed but we got over it, and no doubt I shall be moaning again the next time it happens!

I am fine with fireworks but not after certain hours, personally I think 11pm is too late to allow fireworks to go on for. 9pm should be the cut off line, they were bloody loud, and my niece woke up with nightmares because of the fireworks and didn't settle back down until 2am. I really do think 10pm is late for fireworks and I am not tha old either!