Earl Aelfheah

The people arguing in favour of a CPZ claim that there are loads of commuters parking in ED during the day, not to work here, but to use our exceptional public transport - evidenced by the fact that you can park more easily in the evenings and at weekends, but... If you're a resident using your car to travel out of ED to work, you likely won't need a local parking space except for in the evenings and at weekends. If you're not using your car to travel into town (i.e it's parked outside your house during the day), you already have a space. So by your own logic, resident parking only really becomes an issue if you're using your car for short, local journeys during the day. I'm not sure we should be prioritising this type of use over, say, the person travelling in form Hayes to work at a local nursery (for example).

I posted this on another thread, but didn't get an answer: If we're going to create a hierarchy in terms of who 'deserves' use of the public highway most - why do residents come at the top of that list? Is it more 'legitimate' for me to use the street to store a car outside my house, than for a teacher to use it for getting to work? CPZs seem to be predicated on there being an 'entitlement' on the part of residents to exclusive, or at least priority use of the bit of road outside their property? I thought the roads were paid for through general taxation and intended as a public amenity? Rather than discussing the particulars, can someone explain the principle first?

I actually think the speeding on Barry Road is better than it used to be. There was a time when people absolutely caned it down that road and whilst I'm sure some still do, it doesn't seem so much the norm anymore.

I left my car unlocked for several days (by accident) and nobody went in there, so it doesn't always happen. Sorry you've had this happen to you though and glad nothing of value was taken.

...apologies for the typos

So if we're going to create a hierarchy in terms of who 'deserves' use of the public highway most - why do residents come at the top of that list? Is it more 'legitimate' for me to use the street to store a car outside my house, than for a teacher to use it for getting to work? CPZs seem to be predicated on there being an 'entitlement' on the part of residents to exclusive, or at least priority use of the bit of road outside their house. I thought the roads were paid for through general taxation as a public amenity? Rather than discussing the particulars, can someone explain the principle first?

Reed Mogg is articulate and well practiced in the art of debating. He is all the dangerous for that.

I agree, but 'if it were genuinely about commuter parking' is a the point. For what it's worth, I don't think it will have a significant impact on shoppers. It is more likely to adversely effect those who travel in by car to work in the area. I don't understand why residents should have priority over school teachers, shop workers etc. Genuinely I don't. The roads are paid for out of general taxation and should exist as a public amenity. There is no entitlement to the space outside your house and actually many residents vehicles barely move during the week (my own included). Surely the school teacher travelling to work has more claim to parking than the person just using a space for storage, if we're going to start creating a hierarchy of deservedness?

I'm sure that those spaces used to be restricted parking (you could stay there for a couple of hours I think).

I personally think there is more justification for people driving into the area to work here than there is for most residents to keep a car on the road (many of whom work in the city). Lot's of the cars on my street barely move (including, I must admit, my own). If we are going to start rationing spaces, why do residents get priority over school teachers, shop workers and carers? The whole idea of some sort of special entitlement to the public highway nearest your house makes no sense to me. The streets are maintained via general taxation and should be a public amenity.

Three permits per household is ridiculous. It should be one maximum (if we have to privatise the streets in this way at all). I think it will be particularly difficult for school teachers, many of whom can't afford to live in the local area.

The biggest danger to cyclists and pedestrians is motor vehicles. This is not an opinion, it is clear from the statistics.

worldwiser Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- It seems to me that a CPZ is > only controversial in ED. Everywhere else in > London at this radius from the centre has one. > Every city in the country has them. Come to think > of it, every city in the world I've ever visited > does and their existence is unremarkable. This is > how sensible cities (and especially ones that were > built for the era of the horse and cart) manage > traffic. There are few places in zone 2 London which are so far from a tube station, or which don't have hire bikes for getting to / from the station. There are few other parts of 'inner london' that don't have a cycle superhighway, or where you can't get to a tube station after a short bus journey. In this part of SE London, bus journeys and bike journeys aren't 'last mile' transport, they're the main way of getting all the way into town.

Wasn't he part of the cabinet that brought on this whole omnishambles? If I was him, I would be keeping very quiet on the subject of brexit.

Complaints are also often overblown. I have heard people complaining that it's impossible to park on our street, when the truth is that they mean "impossible to park directly outside my house". It's something which you can see in many of the responses on here. People who live on the same street with apparently, different experiences of reality. I would hope that the council doesn't make such huge investments based on such a small number of anecdotal accounts.

chuck it over the fence.

@Galileo - I guess that it's more difficult to park during the week because people tend to go away at the weekend and during the day, people drive into the area to work (teachers, carers, doctors, etc). I'm not sure a CPZ will necessarily change this.

'lifestyle kitchens'!?

Just received the consultation through the post. It?s a huge set of documents. How much is this costing?

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Although a staunch Remainer (hardened after May's > red lines), I, and I suspect a lot of Remainers, > would've initially accepted a Brexit that > reflected the closeness of the vote, i.e. > something akin to the Norway deal, whereby we keep > the benefits of being in a CU, thus solving the > Irish border problem, and also maintain FOM. But > Brextremists like Johnson and Davis got greedy, > egged on by a frothing right wing press, and > pressured May into her Mansion House speech and > those red lines. Add in triggering A50 without a > plan, then losing her majority at the snap GE, we > have ended up in the mess we have. All of their > own doing. Meanwhile, the Brextremists have > continued to move the Brexit goal posts so that > they're now on a completely different pitch with > talk of No Deal. This was never the form of Brexit > that was proposed pre-referendum, so it's > unacceptable to propose it now, and hopefully > Parliament will ensure it never happens. However, > it's the legal default if May's fudge deal is > rejected as seems likely, so the only way out of > this impasse is to revoke A50. There isn't enough > time to do anything else. There's talk about > extending A50 to July, but the EU have previously > indicated that they would only do that for a > genuine reason such as a GE or 2nd ref, not to > carry on kicking the can down the road. > Until Brexit came along the world saw us as a > sensible, pragmatic nation, we could do with some > of that now... I completely agree.

The government has spent almost 3 years focused on little other than Brexit. It's already cost us huge amounts of money and who knows the additional opportunity cost. We can't even agree the withdrawal terms. We haven't even started on our future relationship. That's when the real fun will start (assuming the withdrawal agreement get's the wave through). We're at a total impasse.

bels123 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If a CPZ makes drivers think twice about using > their cars for short journeys and reduces the > amount of cars circling trying find the last > remaining space that?s worth paying ?125 (?2.40 > equiv per week) I'm not sure it's going to do either of those things.

I really object to all the drop curbs. As if we don?t give over enough public space to motor vehicles they also get the right to drive across the pavement. The integrity of pedestrian space should be preserved.

After all, ?cyclist? and ?drivers? aren?t different people. They?re the same people moving around in different ways.