Earl Aelfheah

Apparently Johnson is favourite for next PM and he is ruling out a snap election. I have to say, I consider this a coup. What mandate will be have? I cannot accept that self serving, dishonest and ruthless man as Prime Minister. But what can we do? This country has lost its mind.

Generally proud to be a Londoner. The Brexit vote is unbelievable. I am amazed that there are still people who think it was / is a good idea.

I would never stop being friends (or fall out with family members), because of how they'd voted. But if I was just meeting someone / didn't know them yet, and they said "isn't it great that we have taken back control" or some such, I probably would politely move along.

One of the things which really does piss me off, is the flippant response by many in the leave camp to the financial fall out. It effects real people, in real life. I've already know people who have been told to expect job losses at their firms. It looks likely that there will be a recession, which will mean that kids leaving school or college in the next few years may struggle to break in to the job market. That can have an impact over your whole career and lifetime earning potential. It's no small thing.

Reports of spike in islamophobia http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-muslim-racism-hate-crime-islamophobia-eu-referendum-leave-latest-a7106326.html

Lordship 516 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > By all means whinge - we all need to whinge until > we can be heard. But we also need to be > constructive & productive so we can make a good > case to stay. We're not staying. There was a vote last Thursday. It'll calm down eventually, but in the interim there will be people whose lives will be turned upside down.

Yes, please stop winging. It's not like there's some kind of entirely avoidable political, social and economic catastrophe engulfing the country. Bloody moaners.

a quote from that article linked to above: "Initial figures show an increase of 57% in reported incidents between Thursday and Sunday compared with the same days four weeks earlier, the National Police Chiefs? Council said ? 85 incidents were reported compared with 54 during the earlier period. ?It?s no coincidence this has come off the back of the EU vote,? said a police source. Senior police chiefs have discussed how to respond amid concerns the continuing heated debate may contribute to heightened tensions.

The police, as well as the prime minister seem to have acknowledged an increase in racist attacks and linked it to 'Brexit'. People can pretend there is no link if they like. We are in 'post fact' Britain now after all. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/27/sadiq-khan-muslim-council-britain-warning-of-post-brexit-racism

Forget it, we're 'post fact' now.

Many people warned that the type of rhetoric employed by the leave camp was very dangerous and would embolden those on the extreme right. It's incredibly sad. Farage should had his head in shame.

This country has shot itself in both feet.

On this I agree with Fox. The decision has been made, the chips will fall where they may. We will all have to live with the consequences as will our children.

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Come off it Lou

I honestly don't care. Both have already caused untold amounts of damage to the UK. Boris is probably the most amoral of the two (at least Gove seems to believe in something, even if it does seem to be 'creative distruction'). Let's face it, it's a poisoned chalice anyway. Who'd want to inherit this mess.

...oh and it appears that the EU aren't falling over themselves to give us a preferential deal, but in fact want us to Fock off as soon as possible.

The EU camp are now saying they want free movement of labour, that there isn't a ?350m 'Brexit windfall' after all and it appears Boris' claim made just before the vote, that there would be no economic shock in the event of Brexit, was 'mistaken'. Wierd. Newsnight exchange with Brexit MEP Daniel Hannan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36628894

What a ridiculous act of self harm.

Yeah, I've kind of given up arguing about 'Brexit'. It seems to me that a lot of people really aren't interested in reasoned arguements. I mean the leave camp have actually made a virtue out of 'not listening to experts'.

Anyone know the prices?

Whatever the outcome, I really think the decision will have to be final. It would be madness to have yet another referendum anytime in the foreseeable future

mikeb Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A resident asked when would Windsor Walk be > re-opened to traffic. In response, Councillor Mark > Williams, explained that the bridge over Windsor > Walk was cracked and Network Rail had to get a new > one built which was taking time. The same thing was said about Camberwell Grove and it never fully reopened. If the bridge if cracked as a result of the huge trucks and heavy machinery used in the developments on Windsor Walk, I do hope that some contribution from the builders will be levied. In my opinion, if Network Rail cannot or will not repair / maintain the road bridges, then control should be passed over to someone else.

Why has another thread been started?

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > According the polls., Remain has pulled narrowly > ahead in most and at worst drawn even. Most of > the polling was done before Jo Cox's death so the > surge for Remain can only be partly attributable > to that. > > Louisa, what exactly do you think Cameron needed > to address about immigration? > > Immigration is 100% an economic positive for the > UK. EU immigrants make up 5% of the country. > Loads of Brtis have left for Europe as well so the > net population change is only a couple million > people. They are in work and contributing tax as > well as providing vital skills the country needs > to continue growing and providing public services, > particularly the NHS in which immigrants play a > huge role. > > Most EU immigrants are in London, where most > people are pro-Remain because they are best placed > to see the advantages (economic and cultural) of > EU migration. The supposedly lower skilled > immigrants from Eastern Europe make up less than > half of total EU immigrants and are too small a > population to have had any widespread impact on > most working class people. > > Continuing to pander to the misinformation and > paranoia in my view only legitimizes EU > immigration concerns driven by fear rather than > reality. The lies about Turkey and Middle Eastern > countries joining the EU as a means to stoke bad > feeling is for me beyond the pale. > > The Leave campaign really should focus on > articulating the advantages of leaving the EU and > why its worth paying the economic price it will > entail (I still have no clear vision of this). I completely agree. Unfortunately for many, many years, the press have discussed immigration almost entirely in terms of 'a problem'. This narrative has been at best, left unchallenged by politicians, at worst, encouraged. It's convenient for everyone to have a scapegoat handy when needed and so certain sections of the press have been allowed to peddle misinformation, prejudice and insinuation about 'dangerous immigrants'. It becomes a truism in the end... How do you address the 'problem', what's your answer? The only person I've actually heard reject the premise and say 'there isn't a general problem' is Corbyn and not surprisingly, it's been met with derision.