Earl Aelfheah

The idea that we'll get better trading terms after we leave is ridiculous, regardless of the balance of trade. The best possible post Brexit outcome would be to retain much of our preferential access to the single market, which would mean continuing contributions to the eU budget and abiding by most Eu regulations. So in other words, things would remain much as they are now, eccept we would have no influence over Eu policies and no voting rights. Any better deal would put the eus own members at a competitive disadvantage and reward (thereby encouraging further) exits. It's not going to happen.

So you think we'll leave the single market only to negotiate re-entry on better terms. Really?

The idea that we can quit the EU and then negotiate our way back in to the single market, on better terms, is pure fantasy. I thought this article in the Washington post summed things up pretty nicely https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/31/the-simple-and-shocking-truth-that-explains-the-rise-of-far-right-politicians-everywhere/

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It is ridiculous to suggest that all pubs in ED are the same.

I am a little dubious about the viability of a craft shop on the Lane, but genuinely hope they can make a go of it.

Yes, sorry, I was being a bit mischievous / flippant. It's offering craft lessons.

I feel sorry for the Manager and the existing staff who are being pushed out. I used to like the Castle(great that it has a pool table / dart board) but i was put off following the last refurb, by the number of TV screens that were installed. I like to go to the pub to escape the TV personally. I hope they don't change it too much though. The White Horse in Peckham is a good example of an update which brings in new customers without driving out the old.

I feel for her, that's pretty harsh. I suspect Jah is right, there'll be a refurb and a 'repositioning'.

What reason have they given for forcing her out? Sounds pretty unfair

Really Maria opening next to Sweaty's. Selling buttons and string apparently

I could quit anytime i wanted. Honest.

The snowball.

It does sound like Shenley is a nightmare, but the situation is probably in no small part, a symptom of CPZs in surrounding streets. This is the problem, CPZs create new problems along their borders. Councillors, as we have seen, think that only those within a proposed CPZ should have a say, treating each area as a discrete concern, with no sense of the bigger picture. The situation in ED is quite different. There are no streets where people are having to wait for over an hour to find a space across 4 roads. Of course, if we introduce a CPZ around the station, those roads a little further out may well start experiencing such problems, as parking which was dispersed across a wider area get's concentrated on a smaller number of streets around the CPZs border.... and so the continual expansion goes on.

Exactly Penguin68. Where did this idea come from that using ones car to travel is somehow unacceptable - that roads should only be used by those living on them? It seems to me that this completely misunderstands what a car is for.

... ad hominem attacks might be considered unprincipled however.

Cameron didn't agree to a referendum because he wanted the people to have their say. He made the decision from a place of political weakness. All of this was really about Cameron temporarily fending off attacks from within his own party and clinging on to power for a bit longer.

@James, I live about 10 minutes walk from the station. I don't drive and park at the station if that's what you're implying (I usually walk to work (about 35-40 minutes away), occasionally cycle, or get the bus if working on a different site). None of this is particularly relevant of course, or really any of your business, but there you go. Whilst I accept that people on the street should have their voices heard, so should others who will suffer the knock on impact of any CPZ. Just because you don't agree with my views does not mean that they are 'unprincipled'.

James Barber - do you live near the station? What road do you live on?

James - that's ridiculous. Unless I live near the station, I can't have a view on the creation of a CPZ? Why, because if you don't live on the road, then you are not objective, but have a vested interest. I think it's exactly the opposite way round.

One thing's for sure, profits will keep being made, regardless of what passenger's or staff's experience is like.

This is the problem, once a CPZ is introduced in one area, it has it's own unstoppable momentum. They expand until they're all conquering. Soon, no one will be able to go anywhere by car and they'll have to pay to keep it on the road.

Most people of course, don't choose to drive to the train station (it's easier to walk or get the bus), but for some, either due to mobility issues, or time constraints, it might be necessary, or simply convenient. There seems to be a prevailing view that cars should be restricted to only main roads, that they should only be parked outside the drivers house and shouldn't be used for travelling to places. This seems crazy to me. When the whole of London is a CPZ, the streets will just become storage spaces for people who want to own a car but not use it.

Walker, the cycling dog, sounds like a very talented canine