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Thanks Loz. I think that's a bit of a careless use of word on Corbyn's part, but I think it's pretty clear when read in context that he isn't talking about a planned economy in the sense of a centrally controlled communist state (as some have suggested, rather dramatically). He says in the next sentence that '....the strongest lesson to learn from all of this is the need for greater unionisation in the private sector'. If you read what he has said more recently regarding the economy, I don't think any of it could be portrayed as 'extremism' albiet that one may disagree. It helps no one to paint him as dangerous communist, it's clearly ridiculous. The press did the same with Brown and 'Red Ed' and it just brings down the level of debate IMO. Basically, anyone who believes that there may possibly be a role for state ownership / management of some essential services seems to be considered looney, or dogged. Thinking that there is no one solution for all problems (lightly regulated market), is the exact opposite of dogged- it's believing in examining all possible options and deciding on which is likely to best deliver the outcomes we might want.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rahrahrah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Since when does Corbyn not believe in a market > economy. What tosh. > > How about his own website? > > A much greater sense of union solidarity across > national frontiers and across continents is > necessary to demand security, job protection and a > planned economy, rather than the free-market model > whose inevitable collapse has been greeted with > huge amounts of public money for the banking > system but not for the victims of their greed. Where is that on his website Loz? I'm not suggesting it's not there I just can't find it. That does sound extreme and slightly out of kilter with other thing I've heard him say on the economy, so I would be interested to see it in context.

James you asked me at what point I would consider traffic levels high enough to merit closing a street. I would like to know what your answer to this is? Does Crystal Palace Road or Whately Road qualify yet? Once Melbourne Grove is closed, will the displaced traffic taking to Townley push that road over the threshold too? is there a long term vision, any kind of strategy, or do we just close one Road at a time as we move the 'problem' around.

So you are calling for hundreds of roads to be closed, or just this one Wulfhound?

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rahrahrah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Since when does Corbyn not believe in a market > economy. What tosh. > > Find me a quote which suggests that he does. That's ridiculous. are you seriously suggesting that he is a communist. Have you actually listened to him at all?

James- my road is irrelevant. I simply used it to illustrate a point, that if you believe that cars shouldn't be used except for access, then any set of residents could potentially have an argument for putting up barriers. Using terms such as rat runs, and trying to portray the vested interest of residents ascommunity mindedness is not convincing. I don't blame residents for prefering ro live on a quiet, traffic free road, the problem is who wouldn't and where does that stop. The council should be taking a wider view.

Since when does Corbyn not believe in a market economy. What tosh.

That depends on where you consider the centre ground to be.

Have I missed something. IS there a link between FHR surgery and this incident?

James Barber Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi rahrahrah, > Community spirited. Closing the road or using it > as a rat run avoiding main roads. What is wrong with avoiding a main road - or taking the most direct route to your destination? As long as one isn't speeding, or driving in a dangerous manner, it is perfectly legitimate. This idea that all journeys should be restricted to A roads is exactly the problem. That is an argument for closing hundreds of streets all over Dulwich.

Effectively closing a road to the to all but residents is nothing to do with being community spirited. It's to do with the interests of a minority - about moving a problem rather then dealing with it (assuming that the problem is speeding and dangerous motorists - I'm still not actually sure).

Survey shows that a lot of people use a road - thereby demonstrating what? - that its a well used (and useful) route. There is no evidence of MG being an accident black spot. If there is small number of drivers speeding, then target them. The logic which runs - lot's of people use this route, let's close it, is bizarre. Apparently this is selfless, community mindedness, if you believe james barber's rhetoric.

Bit more abstract than 'the bee' - i suspect it will please more people.

So the total average speed measured on MG was 19mph Northbound and 18mph Southbound. There is no evidence which I have seen to suggest that MG is an accident black spot. So what is the issue that is being addressed? Is it simply an attempt to reduce the number of vehicles using the road? Should roads be for residents only? Not very community spirited is it James? What's the rationale here - what's the problem that road closure seeks to solve?

There is a lot of nonsense being talked about Corbyn. The fact that his ideas are considered to be somehow extreme, just demonstrates the degree to which the current political discourse has become nothing more than an echo chamber, for a few identikit timid careerists.

Really sorry to hear about this Fox - I hope she makes a good recovery. Thoughts with the friends and family.

James Barber Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But lets suppose you're right. Your argument would > appear to be my road has speeding traffic so > others streets can't seek to address that problem > on their road. Not exactly community spirited. No James, you misunderstand my point. My point is that all roads have speeding / through traffic. Instead of closing roads, we should police them. We shouldn't just move the problem around. Your logic taken to it's natural conclusion is that the solution to speeding is getting rid of roads. The point of my post was EXACTLY that I would not like to see my road closed to cars.

I live on Heber, cars speed down there all the time. It's used as a cut through or 'rat run' (AKA a road), and has a primary school on it. If I convinced my neighbours to be nimbys could we also get a barrier put up? Which other Roads could make a case? Goodrich, crystal Palace, Barry? Where does this nonsense end?

It's a pub and garden apparently. I may just visit the gardens, maybe take a picnic and some booze purchased from Sainsburys.

I can understand believing in some sort of grand design, some divine purpose, even an afterlife (I don't myself). But organised religion is something else. Believing (like the OP)that there is a heaven for those, and only those, who subscribe to the one true faith... This is very odd indeed and actually quite dangerous / fascistic imo.

Your group is superior to all others? Because that what it means to say that 'Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven'. If those signing up to your narrow doctrine will be rewarded with eternity in paradise, what are you suggesting happens to everyone else - hell? Basically what you're saying is 'I am superior, I will be rewarded for my righteousness and anyone who disagrees is damned'. Think about that, is it really what you believe?

Nah, best way to heaven is Bakerloo Line to Charing Cross, then walk down Villiers Street.

I think the biggest issue we have is wealth distribution. It's getting to the point were you've almost got a majority divested from society. Relative wealth matters. Having the vast majority of resources concentrated in the hands of a tiny minority is ridiculous. Despite our training we have to start forming some sort of counter narrative. That's were Corbyn may come in.

World in danger

I think that's only through the central section. Pretty sure that the Thameslink service from Denmark Hill remains fairly unchanged.