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Sounds like a good idea (the Square not the T-shirts). I'm all for reclaiming the streets and look forward to a good party. How do I join? Do I need to live in SE24 (I'm just down the road). I'll bring my Levellers records with me and party like it's 1985.

Penguin, your post just sums up our different attitudes/perspectives. I can get out to friends in Harold Wood and Twickenham, and family near Harrow, in an hour or so, by public transport Usually quicker than driving, and definitely cheaper. According to TfL journey planner it was around 50 mins to Ladywell from East Dulwich. Much longer than your car drive but I take other factors into account. I've taken choices to live in places with reasonable public transport to the places I most need to go to. I've welcomed the value and convenience of contactless, being joined to the tube through the Overground and changing buses at no additional cost. And then there are the things that I grumble about - that our Victorian forefathers did not connect many of the lines, that the rich landowners would not allow the building of a single London terminus station, that whilst London Bridge is no longer the grubby place it was, I don't need a cavernous shopping centre and my journey times via LB have lengthened since I first moved to London. And then I have seen car occupancy fall, gone are the days when I used to car pool to work (not in London) and it seemed totally normal. Lets just fill our streets on rush hour with single occupancy vehicles and the school run (I used to get so wound up when having to drive on the South Circ in the morning, particularly round the private schools. And the times when you tried to sort out shared lifts for the kids for leisure activities but many parents weren't interested as they preferred just travelling with one other in the car (why would we want a lift when we have our own car?). It's this sense of entitlement that gets me. You will no doubt have good reason to need a car (I'm not being facetious) but many others seem to consider there should be no curbs on usage. Hell, I an no longer drive through central London and try to beat my personal best for getting to J1 of the M1, due to the congestion charge and ULEZ. But I'll just accept it. The car gets used less and less to an extent that it would make more sense to Zipcar, Uber or hire when I need this convenience. Looking forward to the world where there are less cars parked up on our streets lying idle most of the time.

Wow, I'm trying not to be emotional but Rocks what a closed mind you have. I see public transport as being pretty good (a relative term) you choose to see it as not pretty good. I'm happy to point to family members who don't feel the need to learn to drive as they can get around most of London fairly easily. To them the car is not liberating as it was when I was a teenager. And Slarti you just fling mud. Impressed that Ex can handle him/herself. You should be concerned about the post above. Back to a history lesson. Blair's government stated so well and then that unholy alliance of hauliers and truckers took it back to the dark side freezing fuel duty and not perusing road user charging. The coalition made some positive noises about the environment, but were too laisez faire, continuing to freeze fuel duty, not pushing for a national framework of low emission zones (that was on the cards in 2010), then the Cameron government was successfully taken to court for not meeting air quality standards. Ironic that Tory Mayor stated the process off for an ultra low emission zone (Khan just brought this, and the extension, forward). So it is then left to the local authorities. I hope we can look back in a few years time and congratulate the braver ones. Reading much of the posts its as if congestion and pollution only appeared in the last few months. I expect that vast swathes have been congested long before the internal combustion engine. London has been congested in my lifetime. So back to my post of a few hours ago, do we all agree that there should be a reduction in driving or am I talking to a brick wall? And whilst I have had a swipe at various administrations, hats off to the UK for having a Climate Change Act and carbon targets/budges enshrined in law. Let's see how serious we are in Cop 26. Transport is the only UK sector where carbon emissions have risen in recent years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_Change_Act_2008

As Soon as you use emotive terms like "botched schemes" you lose the moral high ground and make it difficult to have any sort of debate. I do my best to avoid inflammatory language, although do struggle at times as many when I try to point out on the need to reduce traffic and emissions post often just gets shot down. A starting point would be to agree that there needs to be measures to encourage people to drive less, and an increase in active transport. I expect that most posting on here do not drive 600 metres to the local shop to pick up a pint of milk, but there will be some on our roads who do. Or drive from Zone 6 to zone 2 or 3 just to cheaper public transport (eg parking on the roads near Honor Oak Park) As many drivers will not reduce car use voluntarily then you need carrots and sticks. The 'botched' approach of closing roads does not seem to be favoured by those most vocal on these threads so what are your alternatives? Please don't repeat yourselves about public transport, it's not perfect but pretty good. The ULEZ is another drastic measure, but it's coming anyway.

Good heavens, did you ever see any of those DUKWs? Belching out black smoke, I think they burned old engine oil. Hands up who hasn't tried that in their diesel car *Don't seriously try that unless your diesel is an agricultural one pre 2000, probably driven on used cooking oil and rendered cattle.

Good heavens, did you ever see any of those DUKWs? Belching out black smoke, I think they burned old engine oil. Hands up who hasn't tried that in their diesel car *Don't seriously try that unless your diesel is an agricultural one pre 2000, probably driven on used cooking oil and rendered cattle.

Yuppies refers to the mid to late 80s onwards - Thatcher generation when it was seen to be good to be selfish, earn lots of dosh in the city, credit card behind the bar following an early end to work day, walk around with a brik mobile talking loudly to your financial dealer etc etc. I expect that Yuppies were similarly superficial slaves to fashion, then it may have been a Mexican style beer with a lime in the top, now an artisan formulaic IPA made at a beer factory in East London I expect many Yuppies took early retirement and moved to SE22. My early memories of working in London in the late 90s was people going on about how they wouldn't need to work as their flat was making more money in appreciation than they earned. The we had Black Friday, house price collapse etc. Just saying this to be provocative and get some banter going.

There's one on Sydenham Hill, Lewisham side, not far from the Dulwich Woodhouse

I've been under general anaesthetic three times in my life. Some people die under GA. A sad fact. When you count to ten as you go under, as an adult, I would wonder if I would wake up afterwards. Fortunately I did. I'd still have a GA, and I can't wait to get my jab. Just wonder what is going on in some people's heads. Some in our street seem to subscribe to every conspiracy theory. What is it about some people that are more susceptible? A natural aversion to authority? Doubt if it is anything to do with intelligence. And those I know it us not religious fanaticism.

Penguin. For heaven's sake - 'the latest reports .... exercise minimal impact on weight loss" - I put up good general points about the benefits of less cars/driving and there is always an automatic response dismissing this. Just say "we don't care about the environment, encouraging sedentary lifestyles, impact on the NHS" as we "don't want to be inconvenienced" This is what the NHS says about exercise: It can reduce your risk of major illnesses, such as heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and cancer by up to 50% and lower your risk of early death by up to 30%. https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/exercise/exercise-health-benefits/ I expect not everyone in the NHS is a car hating militant cyclist.

Fullfact has been referred to before and is an excellent source of info, and debunking myths.

And Twins - the Norwegian drama on the Beeb. Still got loads of watching.

Interesting that the word cloud from dulwich alliance does not say in big words "climate change deniers" "melting the glaciers" "extreme weather events" "species extinction" "the earth dies screaming". We are in a climate emergency yet so many of you just focus on your own little worlds. Overall UK greenhouse gas emissions down, transport emissions have gone up, in the last twenty years. It's not all about moving to zero emission vehicles, but reducing use as a whole. In particular unnecessary journeys or ones that can be done by other means. https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/environmentalaccounts/articles/roadtransportandairemissions/2019-09-16 You could also have "obesity" "25% of Brits overweight" "fifth fattest country in Europe" "increased pressures on the NHS" "Type 2 diabetes/CHD" I'm being as subtle as a sledgehammer but maybe more of you will get the point about discouraging car use, even if it will hurt.

Interesting list - some I'd say started really well but were pants by the final series - Homelands and maybe Killing Eve and Luther. But where is the Serpent? Wow factor and watched it 'live' rather than catch up on Sunday evenings.

Wow - rahrahrah points out the broader issue about the sense of entitlement that many drivers have (the 'right' to drive what you want, where you want, when you want, how you want') and you do exactly what he points out in your OTT response. I cycle but I don't know who Simon Still is, and I doubt whether he represents me and the millions of others who enjoy cycling should he have some unsavoury views. Most of these millions of cyclists are also car owners and can see things from the perspective of the driver too. Also not sure who these militant cyclists are. Funny how two years ago many were lauding Greta Thunberg, Extinction Rebellion and the like. If you were in the vicinity of some the ER protests, you'd find that the militants were in the minority and most were relatively 'normal' people concerned that we are screwing up the planet.

We used to get this off Granby Street in Toxteth. The council blocked off many of the side roads in the 70s to stop kerb crawling. This then made it ideal for dealing drugs in the 80s. Yoofs outside of L8 would nick cars and then race round the areas with the police in pursuit, turn down a side road not knowing the areas and smash into the bollards at the end. Locals would park their cars on the wide pavements because of all this. Obviously not linking LTNs with kerb crawling, drug dealing, and certainly not joy riding.

Pugwash Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think the main problem in Goodrich/Dunstans/Upland were irresponsible parking by parents. Dulwich Hill SNT spent many hours over the last couple of years trying to educate these parents, some who were very abusive to other road users and residents. We were quite successful and not too much abuse. Day one a police officer was with us that helped. We'd hand out leaflets and try to gently persuade. A few parents, irrespective of genders or background, would give us grief, but there was also a sense that many were embarrassed. You'd keep calm, and ask them to read the leaflet in their own time. There was plenty of street parking not far away but some would find this too inconvenient. And then our kids went to secondary school and sadly the problem repeated itself with the next generation of parents.

In deed. Jimmy Clitheroe and Janette Kranky also put schoolboy actors out of work for decades.

How now brown cow

Not sure what this issue is about 1 and 3. Sounds fairly reasonable to me. Here's one which went the other way - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6439020/ A liquorice all sort of actors playing the different characters in Dickensian England, including 'Kerry' from This Country showing what a fine character she is.

Thanks Nigello - yes that was my opinion of the immediate area. Curious that the school didn't want to do something stronger to discourage this. As said parents campaigned at another school in the area, and we saw many drivers who were happy to park on pavements, double yellows and the like, start changing their behaviour. The times they are in deed a changing.

I'd like to know more about the Goodrich scheme. A road I rarely drive down, and seeing it at school pick up time on the odd occasion it was totally gridlocked. What are the measures to encourage more to walk their kids to school? Innocent question. I've done my bit as a local parent with another school, leafletting those parking dangerously whilst others started a walking bus. Tree huggers in action!

S'truth, this class war nonsense is like going back to the 80s.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_War

Keep your eye on the road though, rather than admiring the view! Canobie is a right XXXX to cycle up. Others agree https://www.broleur.com/top-ten-toughest-cycling-climbs-london-bergs/ When I first walked around the area it was a hidden gem. Still a gem but no longer hidden

Expect you have to be referred by GP - I'm sure you need paperwork. Much nicer that old East Dulwich Hospital, queues short and you can hand around the vaccination area with puppy dog eyes in case they have any going spare.