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Look it it both ways - only the law abiding tax paying community spirited people like me get caught, when we see rrrrs who could't give a frig who have no social conscious speed, park on pavements, drive down bus lanes etc Or the I am innocent, the signage was unclear etc etc. I've been that as well, but disputing penalties has never got me anywhere. There's a serious issue on proportionality - there is no simple warning system for those with a minor transgression, yet for example roads and time of day when there is zero enforcement of restrictions. Yet if you get stopped for undue care and attention you may well get a warning or go on a speed awareness course, rather than points and a fine. I've given up trying to make this point to government, local authorities etc. The negative side is that overzealous enforcement does alienate decent people.

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Like I said... All hail the people's poet, we truly aren't worthy

I find it easier to buy beer from shops, as I can drink some on my walk home

There's also views that most dogs now are just overgrown puppies, as this was the traits that we wanted for pets. Their predecessors did not routinely bark, apart from their puppies when they wanted attention or were anxious. From 20 years of reading New Scientist in my younger days.

Evolution?? Actually 1000s of years of selective breeding. Very different to grey Wolves that scavenged around human settlements 20,000 years ago.

Trouble with traffic enforcement is that only the innocent ever get caught. You can read that anyway you wish! (PS I have been caught too many times)

Husbands on a lead is popular in Canada https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55631198

You could do the same assessments to other medical interventions for example hip replacements. I similarly would not wish to make those decisions, either quality of life, or life and death. I have a mate who rages over the costs to our economy on the Covid response in terms of collective life years saved

Haven't eaten meat for decades but could be tempted by squirrel https://hedgecombers.com/crispy-fried-squirrel-chips/

RSPCA will not routinely kill foxes, please do check before you make such statements. From their website: https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/wildlife/animals/foxes Found a fox in need of help? As many as 100,000 foxes may be killed on roads each year in the UK, and many more are injured. We care for and rehabilitate injured and orphaned foxes at our wildlife centres. Find out what to do with an injured or sick fox or if you are concerned about a fox cub. [My comment] - grey squirrels are a pest and if you catch one you should kill it, by law. Interestingly RSPCA advice is a bit softer - eg deterrents and leaving the killing to experts!

I've never used the word scatological before and had to look it up. Thank heavens I never used it in casual conversation. I got the word 'sod' (of earth) mixed up with turd as a teenager, I expect 'turf' was on my mind. A good example of scatology? Dog poo in beaches is pretty horrid. As is human poo both raw and in sewage.

Dad asked Spot, can we go to the beach. No, said dad, we are banned as we sh*t in the sand. https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/311/311937/spot-goes-to-the-beach/9780241355503.html

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I think the dangers here are that we underestimate the popular movement going on in the US at the moment. I have it on good authority (I read it in a book) that there will be an attempt establish a quasi-Christian, totalitarian state, known as Gilead, in the NE states of the US. I've even found maps on line of the new territory, that's how far advanced things are.

Looks like it has got a lot worse

Wouldn't put it as blunt as that but yes, it feels more parochial, lets diverse and conservative with both small and large c's. Then you will have the people who tell you how they had to move out because of the schools. In the pretty country areas you also get the clash of old money vs new. And (maybe less so now) I've had occasions where people tell me how they 'had' to move away from inner London because of 'them' in a hushed tone ie 'ethnics'. But that said these are my biased opinions, formed in part as I grew up in such an area, and on the odd chance I do go back that part of middle England still feels as it is from another era - and they hate London and Londoners too.

Oh I thought it was out of the EU. Yes I've seen it in the past too. Obviously too subtle for my brain and lack of imagination. I'll think of some appropriate penance.

Please don't big up Lewisham as I don't want you moving to my manor. Nor the Horniman Sunday market, I hear it is really rubbish so you don't need to come, and dangerous dogs roam around the gardens. Oh, OK you can come as you have asked nicely.

Do you want to summarise Cat? I can't stand watching these big televised gigs as they just have to break wind and the audience is in tears of laughter. I had to turn it off after ten seconds. Of course I am so cool I saw him in a small comedy club. And mustn't be mean as he is a local.

heartblock - rather an ignorant (unaware rather than stupid) comment. We've had particulates in our air since the world was formed. We've had anthropogenic pollution ever since we've discovered fire. There was pollution pre and post industrial revolution. It didn't start in 2020 with LTNs. Worth having a read of this https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/emissions-of-air-pollutants/emissions-of-air-pollutants-in-the-uk-1970-to-2018-particulate-matter-pm10-and-pm25 As a society we decide what is acceptable in terms of the balance between quality of life (including the basics of food and shelter) as well as mobility, and the health risks that this presents. There is no such thing as perfect air quality as there is a background from natural sources. We legislate (as we can't achieve this must through good citizenship) to reduce pollution including the Clean Air Acts of the 1950s, removal of lead and sulphur from road fuels from the 1980s, caps on total emissions from different sources, maximum roadside concentrations of pollutants, and pollution reducing technology including vehicles, energy and industry. Even if you moved to an agrigarian way of living you would still get pollution from animal waste and someone would still have to smelt iron for your horse shoes, and the nails and implements to build your houses and harvest your crops. I'm happy to see less vehicles on the road as it improves my life in many other ways, and if that is a bit of a inconvenience to some I feel that this is a price worth paying. To say that Southwark don't care about your health is just absurd. Southwark have to monitor air quality and take action by law and have pollution monitoring on the OKR and E&C - I expect as these are the busiest roads in the borough https://www.southwark.gov.uk/environment/air-quality/air-quality-monitoring-data Closest national monitoring station is Honor Oak, which I expect would be a good proxy for LL. https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/networks/site-info?site_id=HP1&view=View Separately we've met legal limits for streetside particulates for a number of years in the UK. We're also blessed with predominantly westerly winds bring in clean air from the Atlantic rather than polluted air (coal burning and heavy industry) from central Europe. Latest levels of PM10 = 27 microgrammes per metre cubed https://www.iqair.com/uk/england/catford/london-honor-oak-park - against the maximum (mean) of 40. For the UK to be more ambitious you need to ban the most polluting vehicles - which the ULEZ will do (in addition to the strengthening of the Low Emission Zone for heavy vehicles) and address other sources in particular by banning burning of all wood and liquid/solid fossil fuels in the home

It's about the 'right' to drive where you want, when you want, what you want, how you want, Rocks. You are defending the driving where you want, so naturally I expect that you would defend all the other freedoms. For example going back to the 60s when many drivers opposed the introduction of the breathalyser arguing that they drove more carefully when they were drunk. KK do you have a point? This is social media where people discuss issues.

The only lobby I am on is the lobby to tackle climate change. If that means reducing car use, and curbing some of our freedoms, so be it. Interesting being out today on two wheels is that the speed merchants are out again now traffic is lighter. Perhaps not so bad on the narrow residential roads, but Brenchley Gardens, Forest Hill Road, and even Wood Vale - vrmmm vrmmm. Is the anti LTN lobby also pro allowing motorists to do what they like. Maybe carry guns too..... I'm being deliberately provocative of course......

Inaccurate picture, now we have left Europe as well as bars just for blokes, everyone will be expected to smoke. At least the ashtrays are there.

But aren't we still to blame Rocks? Whether it is us driving cars or ordering on line? There is some ideal balance. Probably be helpful if you stopped using the term lobby, I'm sure others have pointed out how divisive this is.

And according to Wiki the paper/cause are far right and Trump supporting. That's according to wiki not the CCP. Still wonder why it was delivered to people in our street (and elsewhere?). Useful hamster bedding - sadly we don't get the News Shopper and I only buy a Saturday paper so additional newsheet always useful