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Off thread but it used to amuse me when I used to fly Finnair (thinair) And older readers may remember Danair (nothing to do with Denmark) who were christened 'Dan Dare' as it was always and adventure Then there was the lovely sounding Debonair who were one of the first budget airlines (with Ryanair and Easyjet) - most have only heard of the latter two as they went bust fairly swiftly

OK so I have been thinking. I went to most of my matches between 71 and 82. I saw the rise in violence, the deterioration of the game, falling attendances, crumbling stadiums etc. I started to go just after the Ibrox disaster. I saw more crash barriers go up on the terracing, and capacities redueced on safety grounds As attendances started to drop more seating was put in to maintain income, some of this being at the rear of the away terrace (eg Villa Park and Hillsbourough). And then the fences went up. And then the pens stated to appear. So once you had banks of away terracing that was unconstrained and people were not boxed in. The fences were uncessary as most got onto the pitch during a match to get away from the bother not cause it. There seemed to be more aggro once the pens went up than before as it got more tribal. So to 1980 when I was at a once famous midlands ground. The away terracing had held held 15 - 20 thousand. Now redueced to 6000 at the front standing, and a similar number of seats upstairs. We got into the terracing, it was rather packed. So the stewards/police opened the gates at the front and a number of us were walked round the pitch into the less busy corners. Easy. You may see where I am coming from. Fast forward to 89. Reduced capacity in the away terracing. Fences. Pens. Not the midlands ground but one in South Yorkshire. So at the time, and ever since I wondered why they didn't just simply manage the crowd as I had experienced in 1980. I put the blame down to stadium design and stewarding. But - having been to many matches - I also believed that people did arrive late, some without tickets, many drunk. Because I had seen all of this many times. And there was still the...dare I say... coonection with Heysel. So I am stunned that in deed this was all fabrication. Questioning myself for my attitude at the time until now and how the powers that be (and Thatcher hated football and Liverpool), the establishment, the media and uncle Tom Cobbley had continued to spin and propogate this lie.

You think that you have problems? I've been waiting 20 years to be served at the Moore Park Hotel https://whatpub.com/pubs/SEL/11210/moore-park-hotel-forest-hill - just found out that is no longer serves alcohol A few years ago I thought that I'd try the Dulwich Woodhouse. I pushed the front door, knocked at it, but it wouldn't be opened. There were people in there laughing and staring but no b would let me in (assume that it must be a bunch of freemasons). In desparation I have gone to the Grove Tavern. Some nice outdoor seating but most unwelcoming and you have to bring your own booze. So the Dog is in good company.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Didn't take our chances tonight. Hit the woodwork > three times. As far as the title goes that's it. > We won't catch Leicester now. Fair play to the > Baggies for not heading to the beach early. > This is a very good young Spurs side that will be > all the better for the experience they've had this > season and will be hungrier to go one step further > next time round. Nice modest post by the way. I was going to be slighty provocative but thought better of it when I saw this. It would be great for Leicester to win the title, but must be painfull when you have your best team for 55 years, full of Englsh players, and have to come across a once in a 100 years situation. I'd be more grumpy about this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/17973141 although it is now in bad taste to speculate futher.

As a nation we talk about supporting the small shops and the high street. But we don't. We are all hypocrites

Ok can someone explain things to me please. For 100 of years there was anti-semitism across much of Europe. Shakespeare made fun of the Jewish money lender. This play was one of our course books at school. From my understanding in Britain in good times the monarchy were happy to use Jewish money when it was needed, then blamed the samme people when times were bad. Then things got pretty horrid in parts of Eastern Europe, Russia and Germany. Clearly very horrid. Then Britain made a hash up of the State of Palestine. Then the US got seriously involved. And oil prices went through the roof. And then they choose sides between the arab countries they wanted to be friends with to guarantee the flow of oil and pissed off the rest. And then we all got involved in the various messes of Libya, Egypt, Iraq and Syria. And Iran and Turkey retain massive geopolitical influence. And the US and their allies remain close to Israel. It all sound like a friggin mess. As is Russia, Africa, SE Asia, and many of the other places the west/East intervenes in. So I don't hate anyone. Well apart from Bono, but that is trivialising things. What is wrong with talking about Israel's involvement in all of this? From what I understand there are a spectrum of opinions there too. Did spend a week or so there in twenty years ago but views from that wont help this thread. I also expect Ken is bloody minded and wont do the decent thing and acknowledge when he has overstepped the mark. Can someone explain things simply please?

We have the right to withdraw our labour. I've done it for one day in my career. That was hard fought for and whatever you think of 'our unions' (they are not 'the' union) think back to some of the terrible working conditions 100 years ago that organised workers managed to change. Before that I lobbied my MP who said that all governments, including the union hating Maggie, wanted a negotiated settlement and expected both sides to compromise. How has this goverment gone beyond the stance of Thatcher and imposed solutions. Did the ellectorate give them this mandate?

I know that East Dulwich is devoid of pubs but why chose the Fox (and Hounds) When I lived off Kirkdate many moons ago we had a cluster of nice pubs - the (Old) Greyhound, the Fox and Hounds, the Woodman that has morphed into an estate agents, the Bricklayers. Two have gone, the Fox is just very generic, last time I went into the Brick it was an almost empty fighting pub. We then had the two crim's pubs on Wells Park (both gone) before going up the hill to the Dulwich Woodhouse (RIP). You'll have to go to the Dolphin at the bottom, or the pop up bar near by, for a decent atmosphere. Clearly nothing to do with Brexit but as you lot are discussing the Eurovision Song Contest then I thnk that I can digress too.

Got a scam call the other day saying my name, very cheery, and that they were representing my claim for a fictious accident. I said, "you sound like an intelligent person, do me and you a favour and get a job of value to you and society" Phone went dead but please start challenging the call centres. We have lots more fun conversations in the household with call centres "who are you, how do you have my details, and why are you calling me", but on this occsasion I could judge the age and the intelligence and hope that it a few more of us did this the penny would drop. Now I am not going to get into a rant about capitalism - "scammers, greedy intelligent people riping off greedy stupid people". But many moons ago a colleague wanted to make some extra money woring for a call centre. They were contacting people who had put a tick in the box about being contacted about a product. The grief she got when she wasn't cold calling. That was out of order and she left after one evening. But this lot above. Please do in the most articulate way tell them that they are immoral and essentially criminals so use their intelligence to do some good.

This was more of a shock than Bowie, Lemmy, Victoria Wood and no doubt others. A loss of such creative talent.

Ask at all the shops, bars and restaurants on LL. The French House may be your best bet or Le Chardon.

There were some soaking wet onces on one of the tables outside a cafe on Northcross Road on Saturday.

God this is getting desparate. There is no real dirt on either of them and if anything the issue and disclosure has increased the profile and spurred the government into action. My word the Telegraph having a go at a Labour leader> You'll have the Guardian having a go at the tories next.... I don't even know why I am bothered to read the thread or post a reply.

peckham_ryu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is it true that the price of croissants, ciabatta, > olives and chorizo will go up massively if we all > vote "leave"? I don't want to live in a world > where my only meal choices are British. But if > there's a way of keeping prices the same, and > moving off to a free trade area with cool > countries like Canada and New Zealand, I'd like to > have my brioche and eat it please. I've been to New Zealand. Very pretty but boring And West Coast of Canada. Very pretty but boring. And the two countries are are often sited as doing wonderfully well trading with EU but not part of it. Norway and Switzerland. Guess what? Yes, very pretty but boring.

The pubs. All been ruined. You have to go to Forest Hill or Nunhead instead.

pourquoi sommes-nous si ?troit d'esprit? In honour of the 9 other people I went skiing with who wouldn't utter a word of French, but were quite happy to complain about them Malumbu "Pourquoi pensez- vous partez en vacances en France?" PS don't take me on in French, I am embarassingly poor but I do try.

Ditto

Oh yes A membership club (they settled out of court) A carpet shop (they didn't contest and paid the claim) And when I get round to it the (in my humble opion) evil Dixons Group. County Court is supposed to be a simple low cost option of seeking redress and it shouldn't be advantageous or otherwise to pay for legal representation. You have some pretty good advice. The membership club was in Leicester and if they had any sense they would have requested the hearing there. Which would have been heavily in their advantage as for the sum I was claiming it wasn't worth a day off work and the travel costs. Instead it was they who had to face these costs and therefore settled before the hearing. I'd rather not go through all the hassle and even when you are successful you still may have to enforce the claim which can be a pain, debt recovery etc.

I've obviously slept through all of this. I catch hold of the headlines on the telly and radio news and dip into the BBC website. It didn't appear to be front page headlines. I to do my own accounts and probably cock them up every year. I round some stuff up and don't know which tax year some of my investments are paying interest in - Statement in February but paid in May. I've got a trivial amount in some daft funds that a supposed ISA (he only recommended the in-house products) and a small amount in some shares that I didn't vote for (although I am not that precious to give them away) and I should imagine with some rounding errors I am up or down about a tenner. I think that this is bugger all, that this will not lead to economic recession or civil unrest and I will not face a HMRC snatch squad. I imagine that Corbyn's finances and his free time to complete his accounts are in a similar state of mine. I am sure that there are many of you out there who legally know how to minimise your tax with much larger incomes that me. Is this really a story?

I'm one of the many who will vote one way or another irrespective of the debate. I have lived and breathed Europe for most of my adult life. I dip in occasionally to threads and debates to skim the more intellectual argument and get an appreciation of the plain daft. I've not seen anyone talk about distrusting Jonny foreigner. Beyond concerns over immigration. I feel more in common with many of the Europeans that I work with, deal with professionally and just bump into in leisrure than some in this country including a few in what I would hope to be one of the more enlightened parts. Clearly I tend to mix with Europeans broadly in my same socio economic group and I am sure that there are many that I would have nothing in common with. I almost feel like apologising for some of the small minded, outdated and isolationist views of some from our bit of the British Isles. Dowtnon Abbey is a work of fiction by the way, it was not a eutopia between before the first world war and between the wars and even if it was we could never recreate this. So I like being in Europe vs I don't like Europeans and I truly believe in Julain Fellows view of Blighty. (And this is not a US love the flag of leave it conversation, I am happy to be here warts and all)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOKclIN7nZc

Black Sabbath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BseNPqhyjds Judas Priest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPhPbTbjYM0

Here's the link to the BBC4 doc on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxTOMcPax6k Met Fergal a couple of times. Me to Fergal "great to meet you, I remember listening to you in my student room on John Peel" Fergal response "you sad so and so, I was out playing in a band, and getting laid". Bless. Damian lives up the road and performs in his band the Everlasting Yeah, including a gig a couple of years ago at the Ivy http://www.theeverlastingyeah.com/

I've got a least a couple more This was a B side because the Beeb wouldn't play it. Not his greatest moment but this bloke was proabably the biggest influence on the next generation of comedians. Enjoy

I am happy to put my leaflet in the bin and I didn't see any point in having a referendum in the first place. I am surprised that Dave felt that we needed the leaflet. The Brexit camp including Lousisa and the NUFC person all come across as rabid. The Panama papers are just a silly distraction and aren't anything to do with the argument. I watched a bit of the repeat of questiontime last night http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b076zn7t and there was a brilliant view from Chris Bryant MP where through gritted teeth he supported the PM, saying that the Brexit campaign focused on process rather than substance and got a cheer from the audience. Thank ffign God for a bit or reality at last without political posturing. Embrace the bigger picture. Don't resort to cheap under the belt and totally inaccurate comments about other Europeans. And please make an effort to speak their lingo when abroad. I am so embarassed by too many of my fellow countrypeople (as one who is not a great linguist, but tries). In it and proud.