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They are not accidents. They are preventable. Mainly due to driver error. By using the term accident you are accepting that it is OK.

For proper balance please also post on the separate thread I started yonks ago about drivers behaving badly.

*&!;# 😲

Surely we all want less collisions and less people being hurt on our roads. Road safety improvements have been down to many reasons including reduced speed limits and better protection for car occupants. Yet numbers have now plateaued. Sadly slower speeds have been offset by heavier vehicles. And as regards to private drivers there is no compulsory advanced training or refresher training. Speed awareness courses, despite all the common view that "I don't need it as I am a good driver" do a good job of reminding the harm you can do to others when your 1.5 plus tonnes of steel hits soft tissue and bone. I don't understand why anyone would just make disparaging comments on the road safety and sustainable transport groups. This is not America.

Thanks, I'll check it out. Also do contact Southwark Cyclists. Not fond of Dulwich Estates for a number of reasons. They could do more to discourage driving noting that many DC kids do cycle to school.

Have you spoken to your local councillor, complained to Southwark, raised with any local tenants group it contacted Ellie. Always worth doing this before going to social media Or spoken with the street cleaner?

Are you selling tickets? 😁

Highly likely that a motorised vehicle crashed into the fountain, I haven't gone back to my applied mathematics (mechanics/equation of motion) as part of my A Level but it would have been quite a force.

Good bloke Edmund, had professional dealings with him both when at the RAC foundation and the AA. Whilst representing drivers he also cycles. I could do further name dropping but that would be showing off 😁

Don't know where this 'two sides' accusation comes from. Bit silly to me Something demolished a famous statue. There is nothing on line to say what it was, any criminality involved and the like. Presumably a motorised vehicle. To get this momentum it would have to be going fast and/or be heavy. Unless it was a bulldozer it would have suffered major damage, as could the occupants. What is controversial about these views?

I'm thinking about wider society and also get more engagement from your MP. But as regards to the Met you could contact the Commissioner but as others have said maybe best to start with the Safer Neighbourhood Team I've heard good things from those constuents with difficult issues when contacting Ellie. My experience on more mundane transport issues it was all handled by her office, who did no better than me! But she effectively a front bencher so has much on.

I expect that the majority of us agree that if we want more policing then we have to pay for this. That's an issue for the government of the day, as is community relations, education etc etc Do contact Ellie with how you consider government should do better and copy to the Mayor. That does not absolve parents and schools on their responsibilities.

Thanks for posting DKH and very much agree with your views Penguin, whilst you have a good point, you, and others, whenever you use terms like scum, or in this case scrote, it comes over all reactionary and dilutes your point. That's not diminishing that all crimes against the person are wrong, but I want a world where we all get on rather than go down the populist approach of demonsing groups of people in our community.

Without police presence unless you have evidence, in particular video, the police are unlikely to charge someone for dangerous driving. and CPS recommend going to court on this charge. Most prosecutions are for careless driving, which covers a wide range of offences but has a lower bar. So another road user could collide into me, whilst speeding, on their phone, or even looking at their watch, and whilst this clearly is 'dangerous' they could be charged with careless driving. So in the eyes of the person on the street it is irrelevant if the driver was careless or dangerous. And as no harm to a person I expect even less likely that someone would be charged with dangerous driving on this occasion.

Deleted the first line questioning the previous post, leaving copious advice on saving money. MHG. 😃

A discussion on diversity is more interesting to me than reporting transgressions, That is not really a discussion. No doubt the range of cyclists is broader than before. But it, like most activities in London including work, education and leisure, will not, and cannot, fully reflect the make up of the capital, A good comparison is if you take a trip to Dulwich Park and to Horniman Gardens, and whilst it's not a mono culture, it will be predominantly middle class. Horniman in particular strives to be diverse, at times when they have events targeting the young, there is some success, But go into the galleries and most days of the week and it is not like that. How you engineer and or legislate for this I don't know without middle England getting all angry and talking about woke agendas (what a horrid pejorative term this is for people making the world a better and more equitable place). The Met has made big efforts following the charge of institutional racism not once but twice, but in a 2020 question to the Mayor: "Recent figures on ethnic diversity in UK police forces showed that although black individuals make up 13.3% of London's population only 3.5% of Met Police officers are black. Furthermore, those of Asian heritage make up 17% of London's population, but only make up 5.9% of Met officers" Relevance to cycling? I doubt whether you can say it is just white middle class cyclists that have led to some of the annoyance expressed by some on this thread.

Back to the conversation about diversity. Thought I had posted this earlier. This Wiill Norman chap appears to be getting involved https://bikebiz.com/london-cycling-commissioner-sets-sights-on-diversity/

Please stick to your own streets. I don't understand why you need to go further. We are pretty child friendly round our way. Pumpkins are often put out to say it is OK to knock. Why do you think it is OK to other locations.

No people on this site are (demonising cyclists, in particular white middle class male cyclists). I assumed that as you had raised the issue about diversity, it was something that you were keen on. I am, and I have done something about it. But that is my private matter.

Nicholas has been teaching in the area for decades https://www.facebook.com/passplus7/?locale=en_GB But.... noting what you say about not having to drive.,,,, perhaps consider learning in an electric vehicle as they will be driving them in years to come

It is good that you are looking to increase the diversity of cyclists. Perhaps you could do more to championing this mode of transport, rather than demonising cyclists, including white middle class males. This will Norman chap appears to be getting involved https://bikebiz.com/london-cycling-commissioner-sets-sights-on-diversity/

Mayor Khan was a Transport minister. Mayor Burnham was Culture then Health Secretary. I understand they were both good at these jobs. Unlike PM and Mayor Johnson. I thought that you would be better informed. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34923879 https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sadiq-khan-announces-independent-review-into-tfl-funding-after-covid-19-shutdown/

There are a lot of people who are not white middle class that cycle.

Must be a full time job looking for dirt on Southwark and Mayor Khan. Prey tell me why this is relevant to EDF?