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I stopped taking the train ages ago. I work in Aldgate, so it makes more sense for me to get the number 40 from LL. It takes about an hour doot-to-door though, which is the only downside. Mind, at 90p per journey it's miles cheaper! :) But speaking of delays, is it just me or have the bus services from ED, esp during rush-hour, been appalling lately? And what with those bloody roadworks on Walworth Road ...

FWIW, it could do with a lick of paint, some colourful plants in the flowerbeds and the tables outside could do with being sanded down and treated so that they don't go grey. From the outside the pub looks rougher than it actually is. And I don't go in there as often as I should.

Mylo - Drop the Pressure Justice vs Simian - We are your Friends

I know I know ... cops shoot someone seven times in the head at point blank range and it's a breach of H&S ... FFS!

the barber shop on Northcross Road is open till 7:30 I think. I always get a decent haircut from there.

A hall of records, or numbers, or spaces still undone. Ruins, or relics, disciples and the young.

Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984 From 1984!

Mark Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was meaning what's the process i.e. is it > anaesthetised so that it won't feel pain (erring > on the side of caution in case it can feel pain) > or is it done in a way that it would feel pain (if > it did feel pain) In the House of Commons Science and Technology Select Committee report pulished yesterday, it states that evidence points to foetuses as if being in a heavily sedated state when they are in the womb anyway. So while there is nervous system activity, it is rather like when someone has an operation and goes under general anaesthetic.

Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Don't get me wrong, I think fox hunting > and a lot of animal testing is terrible, but these > extreame campaigners that will hurt people, and > dig up dead old ladies, what the fcuk is that > about? > I was living in Staffordshire, where the crime took place, at the time they disinterred that old lady's body. It was terrible. She had been buried in 1997 and, IIRC, the remains were stolen in 2004/5. After a two-year campaign involving about 450 incidents (hoax bombs, phone calls, etc.) the family, who owned a guinea-pig farm, shut up shop. It was the only way they felt they could get the body back. I dislike vivisection It is, however, necessary and the pain and suffering of animals should be minimised, but stunts like disinterment are indefensible. It was meant to show the lengths some would go in the name of animal rights (parallels here with abortion clinic bombings, anyone?) but it only proved the movement's impotence. [Freud/] As for the bigger question, and again back to abortion, of why people act on behalf of specific groups of the helpless (animals, foetuses) instead of looking more generally at reducing suffering across society, I'm not sure. This is anecdotal evidence, but plenty in the animal rights brigade are generally misanthropic, believe humans are a stain on nature, a cancer in the universe, all that crap. Similarly there is a religious sentiment in the (particularly US) anti-abortion lobby that sees society as sinful, liberal, decadent... Saving "the innocent" is one way of people dealing with this. [/Freud] I dunno whatothers think.

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've never been on a rally or protest of any sort > in my life which possibly makes me a hypocrite. > PGC - I don't want to accuse you of hypocrisy. I had in mind more the people who protest outside abortion clinics and spend their lives fighting for the rights of the unborn, but seem to care not a jot about the rights and dignity of those already alive. Likewise, anti-foxhunting/vivisection types will protest for the rights of animals but human rights seem to have passed them by ...

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Just to stir it up a bit more, it always amazes me > that people are so anti fox hunting and protest > the rights of the fox yet have no qualms about > cutting up babies. Queer world. But what about people who care so much for the rights of unborn foetuses and the "miracle of life", etc., but do f-all when it comes to the real suffering of millions of already living people around the world? Are the anti-abortion lot also protesting outside weapons manufacturers' premises, for example? Are they working to turn the world into an egalitarian utopia free of starvation, need or disease?

*Bob* Wrote: > Normally more female than male, I'd day. Mostly > because a quarter of SE22 has a bun in the oven, > and you can't watch Rikki Lake all day long. LMAO! :))

Annasfield Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's interesting (and I'm assuming here) that all > that have responded to this thread are male. > I thought that too - usually blokes are the most vociferous anti-abortionists. It reinforces what I think about it being about controlling wimmin. But I say, and have always said, if it were men who got pregnant we wouldn't even have this discussion because abortion would have been legal since the beginning of time.

gerry Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- A > baby can survive sometimes at 20 weeks... Hi Gerry, I think it needs to be put in context. Before the House of Commons Select Committee last week, Health Minister Dawn Primarolo presented figures saying that 89% of abortions - ie the overwhelming majority - were carried out before 13 weeks and 68% before 10 weeks. The viability of babies born at 21 weeks was 0%, at 22 weeks 1% and 23 weeks 11%. So we are talking about very small numbers here. Not only that, but babies born so early often develop serious health problems and/or learning difficulties later in life. Our science is often not as advanced as we might think. Women who have abortions at a 20+ week stage often do so for unforeseen reasons. I don't think they just sit around and get a termination on a whim because they don't feel like having a baby.

No-one said abortion was pleasant, Nero. There are solid social and historical reasons why women need to have the option to have a safe termination if they need one. I would also go further and argue that it should also be completely free and on demand. Let's not have a return to the backstreets.

TillieTrotter Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ring my Bell.....was that Patrice Rushen > (spelling). > I thought it was the Mary Jane Girls ... that's what it comes up as on my iTunes (illegal download via LimeWire, of course!)

I second what you say, CWALD. It's a step in the right direction, the Commons committee recommending that only one doctor need sign off a termination. I think the current system smacks of the old prejudice that a woman cannot possible know what is in her own interests and needs professionals to decide for her. It was also designed to keep control of reproduction in the hands of the medical establishment, which then (1960s) as now was/is overwhelmingly male. BTW, I am not against capital punishment. I don't believe that the state has the right to kill, but there are sometimes some people who do such unspeakable things they don't deserve a second chance. After all, their victims didn't get another go. Though this is a whole other debate.

can't say I feel any sympathy for hime either. He remains one of the central architects of Nu Labour. Almost everything this government has done he has had his hand in.

Here's Pete Tatchell on the very same issue, though he is far more scathing http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/peter_tatchell/2007/10/welcoming_the_tyrant.html

mockney piers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Land & Freedom (Tierra y libertad) at the funeral > where they sing the international. Brings a lump > to my throat and I confess the room can get quite > dusty. that one gets me too - the whole sorry affair of Spain in the Thirties in general, really

mockney piers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Apparently he's something of a wind up merchant > and was pulling the journo's leg. > > However not all americans know their stuff > > tp://widget-b4.slide.com/widgets/sf.swf really? But how quick we assume it's true! Loads of US news networks picked up on it too ...

As an aside, one of the players, lef-back Channing Crowder, confessed that he didn't know where London was, and nor that people who live in London speak English. Doh! it's true: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2007/10/27/proof-dolphins-aren-t-so-clever-89520-20017351/

TillieTrotter Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Mary Jane Girls - All Night Long superb - love the Mary Jane Girls! "Ring my Bell" gets me on the dancefloor every time too! Speaking of Mary Jane, it happens to be my all-time favourite Rick James track. I want it played at my funeral.

just pasted in lyrics above

ChavWivaLawDegree Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am just a poor boy (or whatever it's called!) - > Simon and Garfunkle The Boxer - it's a lovely song, as are most of theirs. I am just a poor boy Though my story's seldom told I have squandered my resistance For a pocket full of mumbles such are promises All lies and jests Still a man hears what he wants to hear And disregards the rest When I left my home and my family I was no more than a boy In the company of strangers In the quiet of the railway station running scared Laying low, seeking out the poorer quarters Where the ragged people go Looking for the places only they would know Lie la lie ... Asking only workman's wages I come looking for a job But I get no offers, Just a come-on from the whores on Seventh Avenue I do declare, there were times when I was so lonesome I took some comfort there Lie la lie ... Then I'm laying out my winter clothes And wishing I was gone Going home Where the New York City winters aren't bleeding me Bleeding me, going home In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains Lie la lie ...