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On h for God's sake. This.is not a new thing. Have any of your pets been poisoned? No didn't think so. Move along.

This thread is all one sided so far, but I am desperate for someone to delve in and play devil's advocate. http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?29,1497465

keekybreeks Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Like most groupings of this ilk, a vocal, savvy > educated, white middle class will articulate their > views and their aims in a space they are familair > with, where they can be most easily heard and most > easily push their patronising views. > > > I ask again, who will turn up to this kind of > meeting and get involved - and further ask - why > is this so ? I totally agree with keekybreeks on this. I am not saying that any plans are bad (I don't really have an opinion), but it's a white middle class group trying to build a new Peckham in their own image.

A couple of years ago a planned trip to Brighton was scuppered by trains, and we ended up in Littlehampton. Very old skool seaside, we had a blast.

We went to visit the walrus when he went on holiday to Margate. He just didn't look right in another setting. I like seeing my girls looking authentic walrus and remembering being awestruck by it myself when I was a kid.

Hornimans is a wonderful resource which we're very lucky to have.

Cunt.

Ooo, the singer from my first ever band has co written and co directed this. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sleaford-mods-invisible-britain-documentary

So that's that sorted then. Louisa

It's a great soundtrack for sure.

That is proper low. Bad enough taking stuff left outside charity shops, but I guess they can at least make the weak claim that it's left on the street so fair game. Just to clarify had someone else paid for the goods and he grabbed them?

The Cranks cook book has some great recipes. Best carrot cake ever!

Ah, that would mean the station was always zone 2. And buses don't do zones these days. When I was a kid you'd be in zone 3 bus wise if you boarded on Lordship Lane.

Really? That's changed then, because zone 2 used to end at goose green roundabout. Everything from the EDT onwards was zone 3. I'm talking about the 90s. Wonder when that changed.

Henry_17 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I would disagree that this implies the sector is scum, You're right of course, but they do do some things which just seem really shitty to people with the least cash. Especially frustrating when the gov have put in safeguards for them but they still shaft you.

healey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The gentrification of Brixton and ED are exactly > the same thing. London is a growing city and there > is high demand for Zone 2 living. Except ED is Zone 3. I disagree that they're the same thing, in terms of what the areas were before (Brixton being a cultural hub as Jeremy said earlier). But yeah, the desired effect is the same, not just in London but in cities world wide. A while ago I was watching the Foo Fighters Sonic Highways series, and there was an interview with guitarist Gary Clark, Jr. from Austin, Texas. He was saying police had started coming in to gigs with decibel meters and telling them to turn down because neighbours in new developments would be complaining about the noise. It changes the character of a place. Just one example, but I remember watching it and thinking about an article I'd read around that time saying exactly the same thing about clubs in London which had been there ages. Can't find the clip, but here's a thing about it http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-dave-grohl-on-austins-musical-wizards-gentrification-20141108 Progress starts to suck when it takes all the soul out of a place. > As for "lines being crossed", nothing is going to > stop it happening. Nothing. Agree. Doesn't mean it's always a good thing though.

Aaaaaanyway, slightly off topic.

The 14 year old me was in love with this image http://img.over-blog.com/300x229/3/01/25/75/AAAA-WESTERN-37/LAST-MOHICANS--4-.jpg Alas this was just before she flung herself to her death, but you can't win them all.

Last of the mohicans is a fantastic film, but not because of DDL.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No one ever comments or agrees when either of us > ever posted praise of any business . 1. That's not true 2. What do you want, a cookie? A slap on the back? A round of applause? Just for saying something positive. And you can't really compare the gentrification that has happened in Dulwich to what continues to happen in Brixton (Brixton has been going through gentrification just as long as ED, but now a line is seen to be being crossed). Brixton is a hub, it's got a much bigger and busier high street, had a great market, has a largeish music venue, and loads of bars / clubs / small music venues. It's a destination. ED isn't and never has been. And I say all that as someone who hasn't liked all the changes in ED, and has been forced to look elsewhere for an affordable home. But what is felt to be happening in Brixton is a very different thing.

A personal anecdote which shows the banks are still the scum thyey always were... Last year we bought a flat using the "help to buy" scheme. This means we haven't borrowed a penny of the gov, but if we default they'd cover 15% of our deposit. The whole idea being that it would take away the risk to banks lending. So, surely the banks should have offered us the same mortgage deals they offered to anyone with a 20% deposit, right? Hell no, we had ONE mortgage available to us, take it or leave it, and we're paying 5.5%. They're scum.

Although to be fair he probably wouldn't have done worse than McClaren in the England job.

We'll never know of course, but I wonder how those high attainers from the private schools would have fared in a decent state school.

brezzo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Squatters, anarchists, alternative life stylists > are often the harbingers of gentrification, but > they are usually loath to acknowledge it. That's because they're ashamed that lots of really dull people have moved in trying to bask in their cool light. ED had a different gentrification, it was never really cool.

Cross post.