Otta

Has any of this actually been bile spitting hatred? The answer is no. When I use a term like "makes me want to slap them" it's not like I see these people and genuinely have an urge to physically do them harm. But now this thread has turned in to somewhere for the enlightened to show how above petty judgements they are (and to just be openly rude to specific people). I'm totally confused now anyway, as "Hipster" now seems to be describing everyone remotely arty (God even I'm a bit creative) or who goes out in East London.

Tend to agree with Mick (unfortunately).

> I'm good friends with many people a lot of > commenters on this thread would call hipsters. > Artists, musicians, DJs, actors, film makers, tech > entrepreneurs, weird 'quirky' events organisers in > their 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s. Without exception, > they are pursuing their passions with conviction > and determination, and they are genuine and > enthusiastic when others do likewise. None of those sound like the people I'm thinking of. I think half the problem is that no one is talking about the same people.

Yep. Valentines is meant to be about anonymous cards to your desired, and could be fun in your teens. Beyond that it's a nonsense.

I'm registered sight impaire, but I ain't wearing a skirt!

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Your're part of the 'honestly, I don't give a > damn' style tribe already No I'm not, I do give a damn. I worry as much as the next person about looking okay when I go out. I just don't care about what a particular trend dictates that I wear, and wear what I feel good in, which according to Rosie is horrid.

Why did you stay in his company for the evening?

Bloody hell, just looked at BBC Sport. What the fuck has happened to West Ham?!?!?

And I don't really wear short sleeved shirts. I own one. , like you, wear what I am comfortable in, safe in the knowledge that no one is ever going to whisper to their friend "check out that stylish guy". I've never really been on trend. I still loved Guns N Roses and guitar solos when I was supposed to like Nirvana.

RosieH Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But I've reached an age where I don't care so much > what people think about me And that right there is where you're different from the people we're talking about.

Dressing up for a gig or a party is one thing. Dressing up to walk down the street so people will look at you is quite another. But I think we've all got the message Rosie, you're like, uber cool and way more tuned in than the rest of us. Bravo.

I can't drive and have zero interest in cars. I'd best put in for the snip.

Robert Poste's Child Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's what I see going on and I find it tedious > when men play the fathers-for-justice victim card. Because you know all of their circumstances right?

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Firstly the nod to victorian/edwardian > england. It annoys me because in a world where we > are the closest we've ever been to the workhouses, > slums and vast inequality of that era, glorifying > the privileged elite by, well, the privileged > elite seems to me to be distasteful. This^^^ I have no problem with any fashion, whether I actually like it or not, but with these specific people I just want to slap them and tell them that dressing up is for children.

What Jeremy said. Massive sweeping statements from RPC.

He's just trying to impress RosieH.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lets hope it's a vote loser and the Tories get in. If anyone actually decided not to vote Labour purely because of this, then they're a moron.

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think we've been and gone with the "them > Hipsters" bashing/snidey thing Really? Says who? Boring.

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Afraid so Ots, welcome to the world of the Mock > Shirt... > > http://cdn2.next.co.uk/COMMON/Items/Default/Defaul > t/Publications/X55/shotview-315x472/480/755-053-X5 > 5s.jpg Ah okay. I have a jumper with a bit of material across the neck which I suppose looks like a tshirt underneath, but had never seen the mock shirt look.

It's very close, a couple of bad results and they could be out of the top 4 again... Unfortunately I can't see Chelsea dropping enough points not to win it this year, but will be interesting to see who ends up in 2nd, 3rd and 4th...

Next was definitely considered a couple of steps up from Top Shop/Man in the 90s. RE The jumpers with the bit of undershirt sewn in, do you mean an actual collared shirt type shirt?

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do you/ have you guys changed nappies? Got the > kids up, dressed them, dropped them off to school, > washed all their clothes, cleaned the house, > cooked their dinner, bathed them before bed AND > gone to work, every day for five years? Because > that's what my wife did. I helped some days, but I > wasn't doing it every day. So no way would I even > claim that I'm underappreciated as a father. I'd > argue the opposite to be honest. It sounds as though you're right, you were a very lucky guy who's wife deserved a medal.

The phrase "craft beer".

Guidelines for under 8s say 2 miles. Which I think is too much, but there you go. We are now 1.2m from school (having moved from literally around the corner). Her on scooter and me walking takes 20-25 minutes, which is fine, but she's knackered then, so we usually end up on the bus (which takes as long).

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It seems to skew towards thirty somethings and is revoltingly white and middle-class This