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Azira Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How helpful do they think they are being by giving > him a moniker like the Croyden Rip-purr?? Bloody > journos. I cringed at that, really inappropriate.

At least you'd (presumably) only have to queue once for tokens. Buy 3 or 4, then you can just visit the outside bar as and when.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We shall see in June. Absolutely Blah. End of thread*, hurrah! *Unless anything interesting actually HAPPENS in the mean time.

I used to go there when I lived in sydenham. It's nice. Probably not the best place in London, but nice.

Either of those would suit me (I buy Heineken usually, but lets be honest, it's cold lager, there's not much in it so long as it's not one of the super gassy Carlsberg / Carling / Fosters types). But from that photo they had Estrella last time which is good, so long as it's reasonably priced.

I've read comments suggesting that people were bringing crates of Stella in, but how was that allowed to happen? You can hardly hide a crate in your pocket. Couldn't it be like the cricket where people are allowed to bring x amount (like 2 cans or something)? I am more than happy to support the club and buy their beer, but not when it means missing half hour of the match to get one pint. The new token system may or may not work, I can see a huge queue in the bar just to get tokens. And for those that say "can't you go 90 minutes without a drink?", I say "yes I can actually, but I don't really get out that much these days, and when I go to the football it's a social thing and I like to have a couple of beers as part of that". Can anyone tell us what beers the outdoor bar will be selling? Will there be a common can of lager for the scum (like me), or will it be expensive bottles of craft beers called "The curate's dripping todger" or something equally hilarious?

We enjoyed War & Peace, but the wife (who has read it) said they left way too much for the last episode.

Just didn't think a romantic relationship was needed. But we'll see how it develops.

Lisa may I suggest you edit your original post and add "contains spoilers" to the thread title. Then we can all say what we like without people moaning. As for this week, I'm not sure I like the new relationship development between two main characters. But this Jesus dude looks interesting.

I don't think Walt was ever fully BAD, he always had an arguably good reason for his actions, but he crossed line after line and I guess the point is that you can never go back once you've crossed a line, even when intentions were honourable. In related news. Better Call Saul, season 2 is now on Netflix.

maxxi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So the 'debate' so far has run along expected > lines; > > A. "Look at the wonderful people on our side and > the nasty stupid ones on yours! THAT'S why you > should vote our way!" > > B. "Your arguments are ridiculous, you are an > idiot, you are wrong! Everyone who thinks your way > is the same." > > C (hardly to be seen) I think 'x' but understand > why you think 'y'. I see what you say and rather > than take page after mind numbingly dull page > trying to shoot you down and show why I am best I > will just put my own argument/pov. My reasons for > my choice (atm) are... Not really surprising is it? But you are right, and I a going to try hard not to look at this thread for the next 4 months, because I know I'll learn nothing, and I know I'll see some people try talking with the confidence of people who can read the future, when in actual fact they're as clueless as the rest of us.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In what way is Boris "very clever"? I'm sure he > exaggerates elements of his personality to > influence people, but that doesn't make him some > sort of evil genius. It just makes him a > politician. I wasn't suggesting he was Blofeld or anything. But I see so many people saying he's a total clown what an idiot, and I think those people are fooling themselves.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Seems a lot of people out there are confusing > someone who is 'not as stupid as they look' with > someone who might be fit to run the country. Assuming this is about Bozza, I personally think he's a very very clever man who knows how to play a part. He's a dangerous bastard.

I am no fan of Farage or his party, but to say he's totally "to blame" for this one seems to rather miss the point that a lot of people have voted for his party because they feel this is the single most important issue to them. Much as I am con earned about the potential result, we desperately need this referendum. Had Labour gotten in and refused to hold one they'd have been slaughtered for it.

To be fair, ratty works in a field where he sees exactly how bad things can get for people, often directly because of gov policies. It's hardly surprising that that would shape a person's views. This country could treat the poor a lot better. But yes, thgere are far worse places within Europe.

In. But I feel a bit like quids. And part if me wants out just for something interesting.

Basically Fullers invited a couple of locals in to see plans. They're keeping historical fixtures which is good, but they have no intention of running a music venue, see their target market as locals, with no plan to attract a wider audience. Fullers would pull out altogether if their plans don't get the go ahead.

Yep Maggie would be my pick, or indeed Carol. But in the last season when the nasty humans raided the town, Carol dressed up with that hat and her face covered. I'd wondered if that might become her "alter ego" and make a reappearance. I've not read the graphic novels (why don't we just call them bloody comics!!!!) but the look did feel very comic book like.

Taken from the Save the Half Moon FB Page. "LATEST NEWS: This morning, Giles (Herne Hill Forum) and I met with the Area Manager and the Head of PR from Fuller's. I can report that the meeting was very civil, we shook hands, and we were taken inside the pub and shown Fuller's plans in more detail. I also took a couple of rather average photos, although it was rather dark inside with the boarded-up windows. What state is the pub in? The pub's interior is badly in need of a deep clean and the inside smells rather musty. However, all its historic fixtures and fittings, including the wonderful snug bar, are intact. The big mystery, which the Fuller's themselves alluded to, is quite why it has been shut since August 2013. What did we find out? We were shown Fuller's 'look book' for the pub, alongside the floor plans. On the plus side, there is a strong commitment by them to restore the historic fabric of the listed bars. They also said that they would try to source food supplies locally, and that this might include stocking guest beers from local brewers. On the negative side, the reality of the massive footprint of their planned new kitchen totally precludes any performance space. They also said that they did not expect to attract customers from outside a 2-mile radius, and were particularly targeting families (mums in particular) with young children as part of their business model. We pointed out that Half Moon Lane had very low footfall. Make of this what you will, but it's clear that by abandoning the Half Moon as a destination venue, then the Fuller's Half Moon will be directly targeting Herne Hill's existing customer base, including the daytime clientele of much-loved local businesses such as Cafe Provencal, the Lido Cafe, Blackbird Bakery, and Pullens. What about the music? We were told unequivocally that Fuller's is not interested in running a music pub. We were also told that if they lost their planning application they would walk away, as they were not interested in operating the pub on a different business model. Our understanding is that gaining planning permission is also a pre-condition of them taking over the leasehold for the building. I will gloss over the fact that we were asked what we thought of them putting up pictures of acts that had performed at the pub as part of their refurbishment. Why exactly they took over the leasehold for a Half Moon brand that is based on a live music offer is a bit of a puzzle, although the area manager did state that he had been watching live music in London for a number of years and had never once come across the Half Moon. What difference did the meeting make? I would like to take the opportunity to thank Fuller's for meeting with us and being open about their plans. The situation remains that their planning application will remove a community music and performance venue that has been at the centre of Herne Hill life for over 40 years. Fuller's did not at any point in the meeting today demonstrate any particular understanding of, or empathy with, our community's affinity for our music venue, or indeed the character of the pub beyond its listed aspects. This is not a good sign. They are an outside organisation who will run the pub along the same lines as the rest of their estate. Their plans for the pub need to be greatly improved if they are going to work for rather than against our wider community interests. I think we all can see that Fuller's are offering a way to get the Half Moon reopened in 2016. We all want to see the pub reopened full stop. However, if we accept Fuller's current plans, then we must also accept that we will never see bands at the Half Moon again, we will never watch comedy there, we will never watch theatre, or film, or opera, or Rollapalooza cycling, or see our local children grow up and perform there, or see Stevie Smith play the blues. The pub will be open, but the things that we love and value it for will be gone. Although we have yet to see the agenda, we have been told that the Fuller's planning application will go before Southwark Council's Planning Sub-Commitee B on 8 March at 7pm. If we can get the planning application overturned at this point, then this opens up new possibilities, including taking the pub into community ownership. It may even be the case that Fuller's has a change of heart on live music and comes back with revised plans. You should also be aware of the fact that a number of parties put forward bids to Dulwich Estate to take on the leasehold of the Half Moon, and that a number of these alternative bids were made on a pro-music basis. Our firm belief after the meeting today is that overturning the current planning application will take us forward as a community and not backward in getting the Half Moon reopened. I would be delighted to know what everyone here thinks. We do have a very difficult few weeks ahead in preparing to oppose the planning application, and it would be great to know that we are all still united in our support for saving our great live music and performance venue for future generations of Herne Hillians. I shall be at the Bullfinch taproom on Rosendale Road tomorrow evening for the launch of their 'Dark Side of the Moon' porter in support of our campaign. Do come and say hello. I'll bring some pin badges too!" So if planning permission goes ahead for Fullers there will be no live music at all. It's a real shame that they're actively against live music so no compromising.

I have a family, and I love live music and lament the loss of so many venues. But I totally agree with Jeremy. They'll be looking at the area and deciding how they can best maximize income. A pub that is child friendly and sells food will make a hell of a lot more in an area like HH in 2016 than a pub which puts gigs and comedy nights on once or twice a week. I genuinely wish it weren't so, but being realistic it is.

Another tweet from Lewis this morning (an hour ago) asking Sue (full name) who arranges folk gigs via Goose is out, why she's at war with SSW. That's just taking the piss.

I agree, I just wanted to point out that he is probably still reading this and getting a hard on for the attention. It's why I made the rather extreme comparison to Daesh, I wondered whether he'd pick up on it. Now stop being cross at me.

Okay Sue "funny" not the right word, but I certainly never took it seriously and felt it was obvious he was making outrageous and untrue claims about people's relationships. His behaviour towards you on twitter isn't what I was talking about and is another matter. By continuing to have this conversation we are also continuing to feed him by the way. PS. I'd be interested to know whether Brian is actually Jewish, if he isn't then his comments are pretty horrible. If he is, then he's not the first jew to have made light of that sort of thing.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > has this all been just > "comedy" fodder? > That's what I've been saying. He may care a bit about the trees, but no one acts like he is unless they're aiming for reaction. That's why I found it funny when he staryed claiming people on here were married to councillors and had vested interests, it just seemed so outrageous it had to be "comedy". But he is clearly very dedicated to pushing as fat as he can.

Yep, came to it late and then zoomed through the first 4 seasons in about 3 weeks before catching up. The new episode was certainly a tense one, but then so are a lot of episodes. It's funny, I wouldn't have thought it would hold my interest like it has, but still hooked.