Jeremy Wrote: "How can > you prove this DOESN'T exist" is a poor defence of > any belief. If you can't do better than that, then > surely you must have doubts in your own mind? If this is referring to my take on it Jeremy, I should point out I don't believe in some/all of what root referred to. If I'm defending anything, it is that a belief either way does not prove anything. If you don't believe in ghosts, life after death, fair enough. I will believe in both if I ever experiece either. Until then, I don't know.