Alan Medic

ianr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Alan Medic Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > > > > This speech says it all for me about the > > government. > > I assume that's a Dan Carden speech reported here. > https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2020-10-14/d > ebates/DF0EE788-B2CA-43F1-B391-81682FEF876F/detail > s#contribution-06F5E34C-02FC-4C52-A39C-2938CBA89DD > 6 It is.

This speech says it all for me about the government.

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Alan > Do you remember how tightly China locked down the > residents in Wuhan at the beginning of the > pandemic ? > Interestingly do you also remember how well the > residents complied and didn't whip up a media > frenzy ? I do. I don't think China is the right place not to be compliant with government instructions. > You are entitled to be unhappy with the government > but it frustrates me that people look at blaming > the government because they wanted to go on > holiday or go to the pub rather than following > simple rules to stay safe and protect others. That frustrates me too. The scenes in Liverpool last night were horrific, if what I saw was true. I'm unhappy that the government is spending our taxpayers money lining the pockets of their friends. If the results were good I wouldn't complain but they're not. Between PPE and test and trace, billions have been misspent. > > As I said we all have our own important part to > play in curbing the virus and the media stirring > isn't helping IMHO Agreed, in that I can only take care of myself. By avoiding contracting it, I won't spread it. What is it that you think the media is stirring up?

Spartacus, it's the corruption in this government I object to. Of course their handling of the pandemic could have been better. Johnson's mixed messages didn't help. He was very slow to cotton on to the seriousness of the situation e.g shaking hands in a hospital with covid patients, not attending COBRA meetings etc. Funnily enough I spoke with my son in China yesterday. He lives in a large city (Shenzhen)and he wasn't even sure of what the current regulations were, as there is an absence of the virus there. Some things are standard like having your temperature checked before entering any building. I'm not sure what 'freedom' you are referring to. His doesn't seem to have been inhibited.

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Alan Medic Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Spartacus Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Whilst it is not going to be a popular > opinion, > > > the government are doing everything they can > to > > > balance the economy and save lives but, and > > this > > > is a big but, we all need to step up and > > protect > > > ourselves > > > > Well I have to agree with you there, it's > > certainly not popular with me. > > > > The government has squandered billons on a > track > > and trace contract, subcontracted all over the > > place. It appears none of them have any > experience > > with this sort of thing. Track, trace and > isolate > > is meant to be a key aspect of inhibiting the > > spread of the virus. The world beating app is > from > > Div.4 it seems. > > > > I'd have more sympathy for the government if > they > > hadn't been dishing out contracts to friends > and > > friends of friends. This is inexcusable and > > corrupt at the same time. Add to that the fact > > that the cabinet is made up of Johnson/Cummings > > yes men/women who only got their jobs due to > > supporting BJ's Brexit blindly, and you have a > > group of ministers not fit for the positions > they > > hold. > > > > This government has a lot to answer for. > > > Sigh > This is exactly the problem we are facing I take personal responsibility seriously. That's my job. The government has made a balls of their job is all I'm saying. So what I wrote is not a 'problem', and neither am I for anyone else.

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Whilst it is not going to be a popular opinion, > the government are doing everything they can to > balance the economy and save lives but, and this > is a big but, we all need to step up and protect > ourselves Well I have to agree with you there, it's certainly not popular with me. The government has squandered billons on a track and trace contract, subcontracted all over the place. It appears none of them have any experience with this sort of thing. Track, trace and isolate is meant to be a key aspect of inhibiting the spread of the virus. The world beating app is from Div.4 it seems. I'd have more sympathy for the government if they hadn't been dishing out contracts to friends and friends of friends. This is inexcusable and corrupt at the same time. Add to that the fact that the cabinet is made up of Johnson/Cummings yes men/women who only got their jobs due to supporting BJ's Brexit blindly, and you have a group of ministers not fit for the positions they hold. This government has a lot to answer for.

Trump tweeted that he is sort of ok and ended it with the word 'love'. He's either seriously ill or it's a Republican election ploy!

I think the point is KK and BB, we won't see any test evidence nor evidence of symptoms. As it's usually impossible to know if what we are fed as information is true or not, we'll probably never know. Of course if Trump were to die, that would be a difficult one to hide...

My Mrs damaged her camera and the LCD screen doesn't work anymore (the screen is intact). The part is about ?60 I think. It originally cost about ?260, but 4 years ago. Any camera experts know what the lifespan of a camera might be? The model is Panasonic LUMIX DMC-TZ70.

Always reminded of this song.........

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do you mean something like this : > https://thisismold.com/object/kitchenware/alessi-p > izzico-pinch-of-salt#.X3TiiB7TU0M ? > > Not sure if it's something you can get locally but > I'm sure if you show a local shop this then they > can either order one for you or worst case > scenario you may have to go online to order it Someone always has to ruin a potentially good thread with a dose of reality.

Surely the question should be 'why aren't we bothering?'? I put it down to poor leadership mixed in with English exceptionalism.

Have people here downloaded it or decided not to? What's the verdict or why won't you?

That's sounds delightful PGC. But a tent? Where would I go for a leek?

I am, but I haven't a clue. I'd like to know what's less than an amateur though?

Not Covid, KK. Plenty of Airbnb's elsewhere, and actually when I changed the parameters I found a couple of places on IoW. However, for a short break the ferry seems too expensive for my liking.

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sigh....chalk that up as the 3000th time in the > past 4 years when the remain crew on this forum > can't gets their head around someone else's > perspective, they resort to the trusty old 'troll' > label... "I?m saying UK goods going from NI to RoI should be waved through given our superior standards." Superior standards? What superior standards? If that's not trolling, then what is?

Thanks KK. Doesn't seem to be anything available though, unfortunately.

Booked a place in Wales. Wrong place unfortunately. Any recommendations for coastal places in England please? Within 3 or 4 hours drive from ED.

> I?m saying UK goods going from NI to RoI should be > waved through given our superior standards. I think just replying 'bullshit' covers this one. If you want to act like a troll just use twitter.

Well the good news from America is that the virus will go away if enough of us just think that way. I presume that's what the President meant by 'herd mentality'.

Irish writer Fintan O'Toole wrote this (cut and pasted as behind paywall). What has brought the UK to the point of openly declaring its intention to break international law is not just English nationalism. It is the strangely contradictory nature of that nationalism. It is the motive force of a genuine political revolution. Yet it dare not speak its own name. It will not acknowledge itself and thus does not know itself. It is everywhere and nowhere, shaping the whole course of Brexit, but itself barely articulated. Because it cannot even admit its own existence, its limits cannot be mapped and its consequences cannot be weighed. The big problem with English nationalism is that it is na?ve. Because it has been buried for centuries under two layers of disguise ? the United Kingdom and the British Empire ? it has no knowledge of what, through bitter experience over those bloody years, most of the rest of us have had to discover about nationalism. What other countries (Ireland very much included) have learned the hard way is that nationalism is petrol: a combustible political fuel that can drive you forward or, if you do not control it, drive you off a cliff. Three aspects of this dangerous innocence are at play in the determination of the toxic troika ? Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove ? to tear up the withdrawal agreement the UK signed with the EU only nine months ago. The first is that the Brexiteers can?t acknowledge that theirs is a post-imperial nationalism, so they have to frame it as an anti-colonial nationalism. An honest account of the re-emergence of the idea of England as a political entity would say that this is a last stage of the end of empire. England was folded into empire and now that empire is gone, England returns. For reasons we will come back to, however, this can?t be said. So what we get instead is a double displacement. England is emerging, not from its own empire, but from an imaginary empire of the EU. And (with a certain comic magnificence) the nearest example of this process to hand is Ireland?s struggle for independence from the UK. Hence the Brexiteer Sir Bernard Jenkin explaining on BBC?s Newsnight last week why it was okay to renege on the withdrawal treaty: ?The deal leaving the EU is a one-off exceptional treaty ? it?s like an independent country leaving an empire.? England-as-Ireland This bizarre mental construct of England-as-Ireland leads to the adoption, in the minds of English nationalists, of the Michael Collins model ? sign the damn treaty and then you can change it afterwards. The withdrawal treaty, like the Anglo-Irish treaty of 1921, is not a terminus but a springboard. Secondly, the big reason why English nationalism cannot articulate itself is that it cannot admit to its own most obvious consequence: the break-up of the UK. Toryism is supposed to be conservative and unionist, but it has become (in objective effect) radically anti-union. It is pushing through the most extreme possible version of a Brexit that both Scotland and Northern Ireland rejected. But since this cannot be admitted, the blame for the consequences must be displaced. These people, of course, have a lot of practice at shifting the blame for their own failings on to their favourite scapegoat: the EU. Thus, it is not English nationalism that is wrecking the union. It is those damned foreigners. Hence Gove?s case for resiling from the withdrawal agreement: ?the EU [is] disrupting and putting at threat the integrity of the United Kingdom?. The third consequence of this naive nationalism is a rather infantile understanding of national independence. Leave aside the obvious truth that Britain is and always has been independent and sovereign. The Brexiteers, in seeking to ?reclaim? its allegedly lost sovereignty, fall into the delusion that often affects early-stage nationalists: the idea that, once you are ?free?, you can do whatever you damn well please. You enter a new world where the National Will is untrammelled by compromises, limits and pre-existing obligations. Imaginary oppression The particular problem of ?freedom? in the Brexit project is that, as I?ve suggested before, you can?t free yourself from imaginary oppression. Countries that have been subjected to domination from the outside can (after they make all the mistakes) learn to settle for a negative freedom ? we are no longer being dominated, so now we are free to make our own compromises and share our sovereignty with others. But Brexit cannot afford this satisfaction, because Britain was never being dominated in the first place. Hence, it is driven towards a hyper-exaggerated notion of pure sovereignty, unadulterated by responsibilities and commitments. Liberty is replaced by libertarianism. The ?nation? becomes a larger version of Cummings during the coronavirus lockdown, so special that it can give a fine old English ?up yours? to the rules that apply to everyone else. The rallying cry of this ?freedom? is ?never apologise, never explain?. The tragedy for England is that it is not unfettered, merely unmoored. Its unspoken nationalism is not a course charted towards a well-planned future. It is just the setting adrift of an ill-conceived nation. It floats under a false flag ? not the cross of St George, but an increasingly tattered Union Jack. And it has just ditched its moral compass.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Boris Johnson savaged by Ed Milliband in HoC > debate, he won't even make it to Christmas at this > rate... That was so enjoyable to watch. Waffle outsmarted by facts. I wonder how his demise will unfold?

War Sep? Between who?

I don't think McDonald's are in government yet.